Their not voting created this situation in the first place. They wanted this situation. People who are hurt by this situation are rather justified in hating the people who put them into it. You say it’s because these people choose to do this on their own, because of their own free will. I agree with you on this. But THEIR justification in creating this situation does not fucking matter to others. It does not matter if somebody stabs you in the back because they hate you or because they are trying to make a point or out of boredom or out of some philosophical whatnot, what matters to you is that you have a knife sticking out of your back and bleeding to death. And when you turn around, what you see is your attacker crying a river about their right to stab you and why are you blaming them? It’s not like THEY hate you like THOSE other guys!
Fact is that if they voted for the other side, they would have a perfectly stable democracy (lol, not really) where they could then campaign for stuff they want without the world being on fire around them. Which btw, they aren’t doing with the word being on fire around them either, but if they did it now, they’d be wiped off it by the powers they put into place.
Your “leaders” created this situation in the first place by refusing to even acknowledge the concerns of those voters, much less address them.
It would be far more reasonable for a handful of Democrat Party leaders to move their position in a handful of subjects to address grave moral concerns of millions of their natural voters than for them to expect than they could get the votes of all the millions for whom those things were important without conceding an inch on those subjects.
Want to see who gave the election to Trump on a platter: look inside the Democrat Party.
You are entitled to hate whoever you like, but hate doesn’t make you right. In fact it might be altering your judgement just a little.
I think its a little dishonest to collapse everything down to this one moment, that decides the moral standing of a person, whether they are for or against the movement to defeat trump and the criminal right wing. Its important to take into considerations what came before, at least, not to mention that the country is a big diverse place largely controlled by private interests. If you aren’t out here trying to educate people and wanna sit on the sidelines and judge others I won’t stop you, but IMO you really have very little right to judge when the time comes.
It’s not dishonest. This election was a vote between the status quo and outright fascism. If you didn’t vote against fascism, you supported it.
There’s no nuance here. Your reasons don’t matter. If you didn’t vote against the guy who straight up said he would be a dictator, you’re culpable for the situation we’re in now.
You people treat this like it’s some zero sum game. The democrats did screw the pooch, but so did the people who didn’t vote to stop fascism. Both can be true.
Why so quick to blame the people rather than the democrats incompetence. You say its all or nothing until you need nuance to support your perspective. Even if you’re right, and the emphasis of blame, what blame is going to accomplish though remains a mystery, is on the people who didn’t vote, it doesn’t justify this seething, well you called it, hate.
What is it with you, good and evil, love and hate, is this really a political platform or strategy that others should adopt? I’m actually serious, if some politician got up in front of america with your rhetoric it would be called demagoguery. Which doesn’t make you wrong necessarily, like I’ve said I agree with your central argument, but the way you represent it is incredibly toxic, and a big reason why many people stayed home in fact.
In fighting the right you have become exactly what the right says about the left, so much so it is beyond parody. Some might call it ironic, but I would say it is dialectical. Hopefully you get over this issue you seem to be stuck on, so I dont have to waste any more time on you or others who myopically follow your same flawed rationale, which does nothing but give cover to the democrats and consultants who so badly lost this election. This is why hate is a dead end, it blunts your ability to reason through these very important problems brought on by the rise of Trump, but also capitalism more generally.
Because the democrats aren’t the only ones who deserve the blame. Like I said, the democrats are to blame and the people who didn’t vote are to blame. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Many systems failed getting us to this point, but voting was the very last line of defense.
I’m not trying to absolve the democrats for running a garbage campaign, but you’re trying to absolve the people who knew the consequences of their actions and chose to sit back and let it happen.
Again, because the democrats didn’t give them a pony, they chose to let fascism happen, and now they’re trying to justify it.
“Didn’t give them a pony” and “didn’t stop genociding Palestinian children” are actually mutually exclusive concepts.
I’m giving them a pass at what? They hold no institutional power, why kick down like some conservative? No I believe in holding power responsible.
The nyt published this yesterday https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/02/us/politics/democrats-trump.html where top democrats admit they have nothing to offer voters, other than “not Trump.” It’s not giving them a pass to like try and imagine their perspective, based on actual research done by polling agencies, publications, as well as IRL conversations. I feel like you just want to feel better than others, to believe that the action you took made a difference, and maybe you need that justification to deal with the world.
Especially since it was a good amount of bullying to vote against Trump by the democrats and their mouthpieces that caused people to be disaffected and stay home. So I agree there is plenty of blame to go around, but let’s not leave out one of the main culprits: people like you who make discourse toxic and muddy the waters with false framings of very important issues, because their leaders are incompetent nincompoops who can’t do anything but go to brunch and blame the left for every problem they created.
If your excuse for sitting out this election was because of the Palestinian genocide, you are a special kind of stupid. There was not a single option for this election that would have stopped it. Full stop.
Harris and Biden may not have been ideal, but they weren’t going to actively make the situation worse like Trump. They were actually pushing for a ceasefire.
Now, you’ll never get the chance to have a fair election again, because you can’t vote out fascism. Your tantrum cost you the country and it’s going to end with genocide here. Millions are going to suffer and die slow and painful deaths because you decided to stick it to the democrats.
You can try to distance yourself from this as much as you want, but the only way for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing, and you did nothing and let evil triumph.
For the umpteenth time I voted, I never encouraged other people not to vote, I agree with the logic that says vote to keep trump out. How many times do in have to tell you people, I’m extremely politically active I am the opposite of “do nothing and let evil” do anything. I’m on keywiki, are you? I helped organize palestinian liberation groups because of my convictions. All you did was vote, which I also did, but I don’t spend the next 4 years using it against people. Its what I do on one day of political activity, and then I do other things as well.
What have you organized since Trump came to power? I’ve been helping/working to distribute lit to immigrants, and set up an immigrant rights group in my city. So please spare me the sanctimonious strawman, please? I’m not what you think I am, clearly. Save your paragraphs for yourself, if you’re so determined to indict a hypocrite.
Their not voting created this situation in the first place. They wanted this situation. People who are hurt by this situation are rather justified in hating the people who put them into it. You say it’s because these people choose to do this on their own, because of their own free will. I agree with you on this. But THEIR justification in creating this situation does not fucking matter to others. It does not matter if somebody stabs you in the back because they hate you or because they are trying to make a point or out of boredom or out of some philosophical whatnot, what matters to you is that you have a knife sticking out of your back and bleeding to death. And when you turn around, what you see is your attacker crying a river about their right to stab you and why are you blaming them? It’s not like THEY hate you like THOSE other guys!
Fact is that if they voted for the other side, they would have a perfectly stable democracy (lol, not really) where they could then campaign for stuff they want without the world being on fire around them. Which btw, they aren’t doing with the word being on fire around them either, but if they did it now, they’d be wiped off it by the powers they put into place.
Your “leaders” created this situation in the first place by refusing to even acknowledge the concerns of those voters, much less address them.
It would be far more reasonable for a handful of Democrat Party leaders to move their position in a handful of subjects to address grave moral concerns of millions of their natural voters than for them to expect than they could get the votes of all the millions for whom those things were important without conceding an inch on those subjects.
Want to see who gave the election to Trump on a platter: look inside the Democrat Party.
You are entitled to hate whoever you like, but hate doesn’t make you right. In fact it might be altering your judgement just a little.
I think its a little dishonest to collapse everything down to this one moment, that decides the moral standing of a person, whether they are for or against the movement to defeat trump and the criminal right wing. Its important to take into considerations what came before, at least, not to mention that the country is a big diverse place largely controlled by private interests. If you aren’t out here trying to educate people and wanna sit on the sidelines and judge others I won’t stop you, but IMO you really have very little right to judge when the time comes.
It’s not dishonest. This election was a vote between the status quo and outright fascism. If you didn’t vote against fascism, you supported it.
There’s no nuance here. Your reasons don’t matter. If you didn’t vote against the guy who straight up said he would be a dictator, you’re culpable for the situation we’re in now.
You people treat this like it’s some zero sum game. The democrats did screw the pooch, but so did the people who didn’t vote to stop fascism. Both can be true.
Why so quick to blame the people rather than the democrats incompetence. You say its all or nothing until you need nuance to support your perspective. Even if you’re right, and the emphasis of blame, what blame is going to accomplish though remains a mystery, is on the people who didn’t vote, it doesn’t justify this seething, well you called it, hate.
What is it with you, good and evil, love and hate, is this really a political platform or strategy that others should adopt? I’m actually serious, if some politician got up in front of america with your rhetoric it would be called demagoguery. Which doesn’t make you wrong necessarily, like I’ve said I agree with your central argument, but the way you represent it is incredibly toxic, and a big reason why many people stayed home in fact.
In fighting the right you have become exactly what the right says about the left, so much so it is beyond parody. Some might call it ironic, but I would say it is dialectical. Hopefully you get over this issue you seem to be stuck on, so I dont have to waste any more time on you or others who myopically follow your same flawed rationale, which does nothing but give cover to the democrats and consultants who so badly lost this election. This is why hate is a dead end, it blunts your ability to reason through these very important problems brought on by the rise of Trump, but also capitalism more generally.
Because the democrats aren’t the only ones who deserve the blame. Like I said, the democrats are to blame and the people who didn’t vote are to blame. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Many systems failed getting us to this point, but voting was the very last line of defense.
I’m not trying to absolve the democrats for running a garbage campaign, but you’re trying to absolve the people who knew the consequences of their actions and chose to sit back and let it happen.
Again, because the democrats didn’t give them a pony, they chose to let fascism happen, and now they’re trying to justify it.
“Didn’t give them a pony” and “didn’t stop genociding Palestinian children” are actually mutually exclusive concepts.
I’m giving them a pass at what? They hold no institutional power, why kick down like some conservative? No I believe in holding power responsible.
The nyt published this yesterday https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/02/us/politics/democrats-trump.html where top democrats admit they have nothing to offer voters, other than “not Trump.” It’s not giving them a pass to like try and imagine their perspective, based on actual research done by polling agencies, publications, as well as IRL conversations. I feel like you just want to feel better than others, to believe that the action you took made a difference, and maybe you need that justification to deal with the world.
Especially since it was a good amount of bullying to vote against Trump by the democrats and their mouthpieces that caused people to be disaffected and stay home. So I agree there is plenty of blame to go around, but let’s not leave out one of the main culprits: people like you who make discourse toxic and muddy the waters with false framings of very important issues, because their leaders are incompetent nincompoops who can’t do anything but go to brunch and blame the left for every problem they created.
If your excuse for sitting out this election was because of the Palestinian genocide, you are a special kind of stupid. There was not a single option for this election that would have stopped it. Full stop.
Harris and Biden may not have been ideal, but they weren’t going to actively make the situation worse like Trump. They were actually pushing for a ceasefire.
Now, you’ll never get the chance to have a fair election again, because you can’t vote out fascism. Your tantrum cost you the country and it’s going to end with genocide here. Millions are going to suffer and die slow and painful deaths because you decided to stick it to the democrats.
You can try to distance yourself from this as much as you want, but the only way for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing, and you did nothing and let evil triumph.
For the umpteenth time I voted, I never encouraged other people not to vote, I agree with the logic that says vote to keep trump out. How many times do in have to tell you people, I’m extremely politically active I am the opposite of “do nothing and let evil” do anything. I’m on keywiki, are you? I helped organize palestinian liberation groups because of my convictions. All you did was vote, which I also did, but I don’t spend the next 4 years using it against people. Its what I do on one day of political activity, and then I do other things as well.
What have you organized since Trump came to power? I’ve been helping/working to distribute lit to immigrants, and set up an immigrant rights group in my city. So please spare me the sanctimonious strawman, please? I’m not what you think I am, clearly. Save your paragraphs for yourself, if you’re so determined to indict a hypocrite.
Leave me alone now