Brian Thompson is a random guy who worked as a suit for an unethicaly company. He was immediately replaced by another suit and the company has openly denied doing anything wrong, refusing to change how unethical it still is to this day.
Polls show Luigi’s actions are not condoned by a majority of any demographic. Change in the industry won’t come from this.
Heroic is selflessly doing what is right, not selfishly doing what is emotionally pleasing.
Luigi’s supporters want to make an example out of Thompson so the next suit that fills his role thinks twice before choosing profit over healthcare.
If the legal consequences are minimal, then it encourages future actions by others or at least supports the semi-unspoken threat that it is likely to happen again if the ruling class keeps fucking around.
There are an infinite number of suits to fill that role unless we make changes to the system of laws and create new routes for finances to go towards covering healthcare.
Where there is profit to be made legally, there will always be people willing to do so.
Luigi’s supporters advocate for actions that do nothing for us.
You seem to not understand the deterrent effect of being the target of a murder while somehow fully understanding the deterrent effect of being the target of a murder trial.
I’m having a hard time interpreting that position as anything but a bad faith argument.
I seem to not see the deterrent effect of being the target of a murder because there demonstrably is no measurable effect.
Promoting Luigi as anything other than a guy who killed another guy is a bad faith argument. People should go donate to Bernie Sander’s organization to elect young competent progressives, or give to a children’s hospital instead, do some actual good. Luigi doesn’t need your money, he has his own.
You think I’m jumping the gun to say donating to a Children’s Hospital would be better than donating to a rich man’s defense fund? If that’s what you think then I hardly care for your opinion, tbh.
The Banality of Evil is a concept where an evil act is so spread out by bureaucrats and process, no one person feels responsible for the act. The “Just Doing My Job” excuse didn’t work at the Nuremberg trials.
You know what they did for Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials?
They got a fair chance to make their case. Many were re-educated and reformed so they could be reintroduced to society.
Brian Thompson didn’t exactly run concentration camps that made jews dig trenches to be buried in together, he made a company policy that negatively impacted the financial situation of an unknown number of people, so he got shot dead in a parking lot by a man he’d never had any interactions with.
I think we should change the system. I don’t think Luigi did a single fucking thing towards that effect.
You’re not bothered by Brian Thompson dying. Plenty of people in NYC get murdered every year. You’re bothered that someone challenged the status quo, probably because the status quo has been good to you.
You just dont want him to have an effect because you disagree with his methods. Its already had an effect, and will continue to do so likely well after his trial concludes. Brian Thompson was a murderer, just like every other decision maker that works in health insurance. People dont mind when murderers get murdered. What’s the phrase? Just desserts?
A lot of people keep saying there was an effect, but fail to say what the effect was. Then, they fall back on saying there could be an effect if we just had more murders.
That article shows more people thought the killing was unjustified than those who thought it was justified in every poll.
48% said they view the killing as totally or somewhat justified.
Those findings chime with an Emerson College poll which found that 41% of voters under 30 found the killing “acceptable,” far more than in any other age group.
Noteworthy that the Emerson College Poll actually found 17% total thought it was justified, the 41% being only among young people specifically.
Is it good to rely on a poll of a demographic that’s not generally directly affected by healthcare costs (college students are generally at an age where they are able to stay on their parents’ insurance and may not be the ones footing the bill for treatment, but rather their parents do)?
No, but the young group was the only group that even came close to support of Luigi’s actions, so they get cited a lot by the sort of nutjobs that post this to uplifting news.
I mean literally random murders, like man A shoots man B and runs off. What percentage of people support murder in this context? My guess is it would be extremely low but I dont have the numbers.
Not a random guy still, but the one who brought change that denied claims at double the national average. Of course they won’t admit any wrongdoing the shareholders would crucify them. It’s too soon to tell if anything meaningful will come of his actions.
Polls? Did you check who paid for those polls. I could run a poll where it says 80% of people confirm the sky is pink, but if 80% of the respondents are colour blind can we really be sure the sky is pink. Point being don’t trust polls. Don’t trust me either by the way, I’m one person who is critically online and honestly the people against Luigi’s actions were a vast minority. On here, reddit, YouTube comments (even on Ben Shapiro’s own channel), and news reports with comments. Now full transparency that might not be indicative of all people but it sure seemed that way.
Heroic === brave
Brave = ready to face and endure danger or pain. Seems appropriate to me.
Emerson College students operate Emerson College Polling, sometimes taking donations or using research grant money but they’re low traffic and usually don’t engage in politics. The sample size was 1000 people and saw only 17% found the killing justified.
48% of the pop feel it was justified for a random citizen to execute a guy in the street. That isn’t a majority but its more than normal fraction of 1% of the people. Its right up there with how people feel about child rapists.
I said the public holds the United Healthcare CEO and child rapists in similar esteem. I did not in fact compare Mangione to a child rapist. I’ve seen other polls that say 48% believe what Mangione did was either entirely or somewhat justified. You can get a LOT of difference based on exactly what you ask.
Brian Thompson is a random guy who worked as a suit for an unethicaly company. He was immediately replaced by another suit and the company has openly denied doing anything wrong, refusing to change how unethical it still is to this day.
Polls show Luigi’s actions are not condoned by a majority of any demographic. Change in the industry won’t come from this.
Heroic is selflessly doing what is right, not selfishly doing what is emotionally pleasing.
Luigi’s supporters want to make an example out of Thompson so the next suit that fills his role thinks twice before choosing profit over healthcare.
If the legal consequences are minimal, then it encourages future actions by others or at least supports the semi-unspoken threat that it is likely to happen again if the ruling class keeps fucking around.
There are an infinite number of suits to fill that role unless we make changes to the system of laws and create new routes for finances to go towards covering healthcare.
Where there is profit to be made legally, there will always be people willing to do so.
Luigi’s supporters advocate for actions that do nothing for us.
You seem to not understand the deterrent effect of being the target of a murder while somehow fully understanding the deterrent effect of being the target of a murder trial.
I’m having a hard time interpreting that position as anything but a bad faith argument.
I seem to not see the deterrent effect of being the target of a murder because there demonstrably is no measurable effect.
Promoting Luigi as anything other than a guy who killed another guy is a bad faith argument. People should go donate to Bernie Sander’s organization to elect young competent progressives, or give to a children’s hospital instead, do some actual good. Luigi doesn’t need your money, he has his own.
I think your jumping the gun on saying that. Changes take time and ripple out from many different events.
You think I’m jumping the gun to say donating to a Children’s Hospital would be better than donating to a rich man’s defense fund? If that’s what you think then I hardly care for your opinion, tbh.
The Banality of Evil is a concept where an evil act is so spread out by bureaucrats and process, no one person feels responsible for the act. The “Just Doing My Job” excuse didn’t work at the Nuremberg trials.
You know what they did for Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials?
They got a fair chance to make their case. Many were re-educated and reformed so they could be reintroduced to society.
Brian Thompson didn’t exactly run concentration camps that made jews dig trenches to be buried in together, he made a company policy that negatively impacted the financial situation of an unknown number of people, so he got shot dead in a parking lot by a man he’d never had any interactions with.
I think we should change the system. I don’t think Luigi did a single fucking thing towards that effect.
The Nazis decided who lived and who died.
Guess what insurance companies do.
Luigi Mangione decided who lived and who died, sounds like thats the privilege what you want, too.
The allies were better than them, better than you.
The allies killed a fuck ton of Nazis.
You’re not bothered by Brian Thompson dying. Plenty of people in NYC get murdered every year. You’re bothered that someone challenged the status quo, probably because the status quo has been good to you.
So your fanfiction has evolved to portray the shooting as a western style gunfight where both parties were armed and met at noon?
You just dont want him to have an effect because you disagree with his methods. Its already had an effect, and will continue to do so likely well after his trial concludes. Brian Thompson was a murderer, just like every other decision maker that works in health insurance. People dont mind when murderers get murdered. What’s the phrase? Just desserts?
A lot of people keep saying there was an effect, but fail to say what the effect was. Then, they fall back on saying there could be an effect if we just had more murders.
What I consider an effect likely is just below your threshold.
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Lmao, this bro literally forgot which conversation he was in and went ape shit centrist.
I think I did mix up replies, good catch!
https://www.axios.com/2025/01/09/luigi-mangione-approval-poll-gen-z
That article shows more people thought the killing was unjustified than those who thought it was justified in every poll.
Noteworthy that the Emerson College Poll actually found 17% total thought it was justified, the 41% being only among young people specifically.
Is it good to rely on a poll of a demographic that’s not generally directly affected by healthcare costs (college students are generally at an age where they are able to stay on their parents’ insurance and may not be the ones footing the bill for treatment, but rather their parents do)?
No, but the young group was the only group that even came close to support of Luigi’s actions, so they get cited a lot by the sort of nutjobs that post this to uplifting news.
Maybe you should compare that with how much people usually approve of random murders?
Unfortunately Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer seem to be pretty popular, these days. Especially after Dahmer got his TV show.
I mean literally random murders, like man A shoots man B and runs off. What percentage of people support murder in this context? My guess is it would be extremely low but I dont have the numbers.
Not a random guy still, but the one who brought change that denied claims at double the national average. Of course they won’t admit any wrongdoing the shareholders would crucify them. It’s too soon to tell if anything meaningful will come of his actions.
Polls? Did you check who paid for those polls. I could run a poll where it says 80% of people confirm the sky is pink, but if 80% of the respondents are colour blind can we really be sure the sky is pink. Point being don’t trust polls. Don’t trust me either by the way, I’m one person who is critically online and honestly the people against Luigi’s actions were a vast minority. On here, reddit, YouTube comments (even on Ben Shapiro’s own channel), and news reports with comments. Now full transparency that might not be indicative of all people but it sure seemed that way.
Heroic === brave
Brave = ready to face and endure danger or pain. Seems appropriate to me.
Emerson College students operate Emerson College Polling, sometimes taking donations or using research grant money but they’re low traffic and usually don’t engage in politics. The sample size was 1000 people and saw only 17% found the killing justified.
That’s a very small sample size, not that I’m doubting you here. Just think it would be interesting to look into it more.
1000 is fine its the method and practice of sampling that is challenging
48% of the pop feel it was justified for a random citizen to execute a guy in the street. That isn’t a majority but its more than normal fraction of 1% of the people. Its right up there with how people feel about child rapists.
41% of youth
17% of people total
According to Emerson College Polling.
I don’t think comparing Luigi Mangione to Child Rapists is helping your case.
I said the public holds the United Healthcare CEO and child rapists in similar esteem. I did not in fact compare Mangione to a child rapist. I’ve seen other polls that say 48% believe what Mangione did was either entirely or somewhat justified. You can get a LOT of difference based on exactly what you ask.
See it was hard to infer that because the only person in this situation who committed a crime was Luigi Mangione.
The only way you could have come to that conclusion is if you read by skipping most of the words.