edit: Also hunting (specifically of deer and similar) is not a problem, as their populations will grow out of control without hunting. People advocating widescale vegetarianism in fact are not generally against hunting deer. But how much of the meat that is consumed in the developed world is hunted? Factory farming is by several orders of magnitude the greater ethical and climatic concern.
The commenter said “killing for pleasure” and that is what I was responding to. There are hunting and fishing competitions, there are hunting trips rich people take in Africa, let’s not forget people who hunt in areas with no regulation because of how secluded it is and how hard it would be to catch them, and as an added bonus even if we are limited time to only hunting, worldwide, for population control some people will still find pleasure in it. It’s not going away in 20 years.
Livestock animals are killed for their meat. Something close to 80 billion mostly chickens, pigs, and cows, all of whom have been shown in lab experiments to be surprisingly aware, intelligent, and social. The vast majority of these animals also spend most of their lives in a living hell.
Why are they killed? It is not because it is nutritionally necessary to do so. It would be vastly more efficient to use land and resources to grow crops for human consumption than for livestock and their feed. Doing so would vastly increase the amount of available food supply, drastically reduce emissions, and reduce the suffering of hundreds of billions of living, feeling creatures (trillions over just the next 15-20 years).
They are killed because humans have a gustatory and cultural preference to eat meat. Although meat is often healthy, western diets especially often over-include it, and meat is not nutritionally essential for health.
I am not advocating for literally all human beings to become vegetarian or vegan with no exceptions ever. In fact, the use of some amount of livestock is necessary for maximally sustainable food systems. However, we could drastically (something around 95% globally, maybe more) reduce the amount of meat we consume and ensure that livestock are treated humanely, and it would be objectively better in the long run for humanity and for the planet.
You’re still having a completely different conversation. You did nothing to erase killing animals for pleasure within the next 20 years you just reduced the amount of animals killed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_vegetarianism
edit: Also hunting (specifically of deer and similar) is not a problem, as their populations will grow out of control without hunting. People advocating widescale vegetarianism in fact are not generally against hunting deer. But how much of the meat that is consumed in the developed world is hunted? Factory farming is by several orders of magnitude the greater ethical and climatic concern.
The commenter said “killing for pleasure” and that is what I was responding to. There are hunting and fishing competitions, there are hunting trips rich people take in Africa, let’s not forget people who hunt in areas with no regulation because of how secluded it is and how hard it would be to catch them, and as an added bonus even if we are limited time to only hunting, worldwide, for population control some people will still find pleasure in it. It’s not going away in 20 years.
Factory farming IS killing for pleasure.
Livestock animals are killed for their meat. Something close to 80 billion mostly chickens, pigs, and cows, all of whom have been shown in lab experiments to be surprisingly aware, intelligent, and social. The vast majority of these animals also spend most of their lives in a living hell.
Why are they killed? It is not because it is nutritionally necessary to do so. It would be vastly more efficient to use land and resources to grow crops for human consumption than for livestock and their feed. Doing so would vastly increase the amount of available food supply, drastically reduce emissions, and reduce the suffering of hundreds of billions of living, feeling creatures (trillions over just the next 15-20 years).
They are killed because humans have a gustatory and cultural preference to eat meat. Although meat is often healthy, western diets especially often over-include it, and meat is not nutritionally essential for health.
I am not advocating for literally all human beings to become vegetarian or vegan with no exceptions ever. In fact, the use of some amount of livestock is necessary for maximally sustainable food systems. However, we could drastically (something around 95% globally, maybe more) reduce the amount of meat we consume and ensure that livestock are treated humanely, and it would be objectively better in the long run for humanity and for the planet.
You’re still having a completely different conversation. You did nothing to erase killing animals for pleasure within the next 20 years you just reduced the amount of animals killed.
the cognitive dissonance is astounding