It’s really very simple. If you win your revolution and create a society better than the one you replaced, then you’re a red fash tankie - only the revolutions that fail or never start in the first place are true socialism.
It’s even simpler - if your revolution results in workers not owning the means of production, it’s not even vaguely socialist. If workers have no say over how the means of production are run, in practice, then they do not own the means of production in any sense.
Thus, hyper-centralized non-democratic states like the USSR are not socialist.
If you win your revolution and create a society better than the one you replaced,
Yeah, it took the USSR 30 years to create a society better than Tsarist Russia. Tsarist fucking Russia. The bar was on the ground, and the fuckers still tripped over it. Had the Soviets been utterly neglectful and corrupt, they could’ve cleared that bar. Yet they worked to make a worse society than the fucking Tsars ran.
Thinking maybe that by the period it takes 30 years of internal uncontested control to create a better society, you’re looking at less ‘revolution’ and more ‘reformism’.
But red fash have always prefered empty repetition of ‘revolutionary’ rhetoric to results.
Lmao at the “le not real socialism” 😂
It cray cray that words have meanings, amirite😂
It’s really very simple. If you win your revolution and create a society better than the one you replaced, then you’re a red fash tankie - only the revolutions that fail or never start in the first place are true socialism.
It’s even simpler - if your revolution results in workers not owning the means of production, it’s not even vaguely socialist. If workers have no say over how the means of production are run, in practice, then they do not own the means of production in any sense.
Thus, hyper-centralized non-democratic states like the USSR are not socialist.
Yeah, it took the USSR 30 years to create a society better than Tsarist Russia. Tsarist fucking Russia. The bar was on the ground, and the fuckers still tripped over it. Had the Soviets been utterly neglectful and corrupt, they could’ve cleared that bar. Yet they worked to make a worse society than the fucking Tsars ran.
Thinking maybe that by the period it takes 30 years of internal uncontested control to create a better society, you’re looking at less ‘revolution’ and more ‘reformism’.
But red fash have always prefered empty repetition of ‘revolutionary’ rhetoric to results.