Because the outcome is a lot worse for society than unpaid rent if they don’t have a roof over their heads.
New Zealand really loves to chase the wrong end of the stick and focus on benefit-bashing. The reality is that there’s a much higher magnitude of tax fraud than there is benefit fraud, so how about we focus on the big ticket items first?
That may be true, but what other options do they have to control the behaviour of people in their housing? People are being assaulted and harassed by their neighbors.
Why are you pretending this is being done by everybody in KO? It’s a very small minority and they can be dealt with by the law.
BTW. I like that you want to kick people out of their houses for harassing their neighbours. Oh wait a minute. You are only calling for that when they are in public housing. If they are in private housing you don’t give a flying fuck that they are harassing their neighbours.
Why don’t we take your hyper violent recommendation and apply it uniformly? If anybody harasses any neighbour they are left homeless. If they are renting they get evicted, if they own their own house they are kicked out and their houses are confiscated.
I’m honestly not sure what you’re on about here, or how you reached the conclusions that you have, but you seem remarkably fired up about an anonymous comment.
And yes, if people repeatedly commit crimes against their neighbours, they should be forced to move. That sounds fair and reasonable to me.
And yes, if people repeatedly commit crimes against their neighbours,
You didn’t say crimes when you were talking about people on public housing. You also didn’t say repeatedly. This is your two tiered morality. You think people on public housing should be ejected from their houses for harassment but if you are on private housing it not only do you have to commit a crime but repeatedly commit crimes against your neighbours before you are kicked out.
Once again, I’m baffled how you got from here to there, but OK buddy.
This is why I don’t typically bother engaging with you, you read a comment, and go off on the most batshit insane tangent, based on what you’ve decided I meant.
You just don’t like being held responsible for your words. You chose the word harass not me.
you said if a person in public housing harasses their neighbours they should be evicted. You didn’t say crime, you said harass. You added crime later when I challenged you.
So just to clear things up.
You asserted that a if a person in KO harasses their neighbours they should be evicted.
Do you think if a renter is harassing their neighbours they should be evicted?
Do you think if a homeowner is harassing their neighbors they should be evicted?
These are simple yes and no questions that should clear up the matter.
Don’t use the word crime, we already have laws dealing with crime and even people who commit crimes don’t get evicted as a part of their punishment or lose their homes.
Harassing people is not a crime you turbo genious. You complain that I am harassing you now, am I committing a crime? Should I be evicted from my house.
all the other questions you asked are also yes
Jesus you are a vile piece of human excrement. Kicking people out of their houses because a neighbor complains about harassment.
You are a sick sick individual and your cruel and dumb ideology must not be left unchallenged lest we become the USA.
Maybe. But I would think that’s more of an argument for a) police funding and b) pepperpotting which is international best practice for social housing anyway.
When I lived in leafy suburbs I once saw the police arrive within 5 minutes because a passerby had peed on someone’s letterbox.
Agreed, if we move on from the topic about not paying rent and onto a discussion around violence/harrassment or destruction of property, that’s a policing issue.
KO as “landlord” could impose some penalties such as rehousing to a less desirable location or imposing fines, but throwing antisocial or violent people out onto the streets are simply going to make our streets full of more anti-social and violent behaviour that the public-at-large will then encounter.
Longer term, we need to adapt our policies across the board to set the next generation up for success so people have less need for social housing and then everybody is better off. But in the circumstances we have today, it helps nobody to kick these people to the curb.
Because the outcome is a lot worse for society than unpaid rent if they don’t have a roof over their heads.
New Zealand really loves to chase the wrong end of the stick and focus on benefit-bashing. The reality is that there’s a much higher magnitude of tax fraud than there is benefit fraud, so how about we focus on the big ticket items first?
That may be true, but what other options do they have to control the behaviour of people in their housing? People are being assaulted and harassed by their neighbors.
Why are you pretending this is being done by everybody in KO? It’s a very small minority and they can be dealt with by the law.
BTW. I like that you want to kick people out of their houses for harassing their neighbours. Oh wait a minute. You are only calling for that when they are in public housing. If they are in private housing you don’t give a flying fuck that they are harassing their neighbours.
Why don’t we take your hyper violent recommendation and apply it uniformly? If anybody harasses any neighbour they are left homeless. If they are renting they get evicted, if they own their own house they are kicked out and their houses are confiscated.
Would you be OK with that?
I’m honestly not sure what you’re on about here, or how you reached the conclusions that you have, but you seem remarkably fired up about an anonymous comment.
And yes, if people repeatedly commit crimes against their neighbours, they should be forced to move. That sounds fair and reasonable to me.
You didn’t say crimes when you were talking about people on public housing. You also didn’t say repeatedly. This is your two tiered morality. You think people on public housing should be ejected from their houses for harassment but if you are on private housing it not only do you have to commit a crime but repeatedly commit crimes against your neighbours before you are kicked out.
Once again, I’m baffled how you got from here to there, but OK buddy.
This is why I don’t typically bother engaging with you, you read a comment, and go off on the most batshit insane tangent, based on what you’ve decided I meant.
You just don’t like being held responsible for your words. You chose the word harass not me.
you said if a person in public housing harasses their neighbours they should be evicted. You didn’t say crime, you said harass. You added crime later when I challenged you.
So just to clear things up.
You asserted that a if a person in KO harasses their neighbours they should be evicted.
Do you think if a renter is harassing their neighbours they should be evicted?
Do you think if a homeowner is harassing their neighbors they should be evicted?
These are simple yes and no questions that should clear up the matter.
Don’t use the word crime, we already have laws dealing with crime and even people who commit crimes don’t get evicted as a part of their punishment or lose their homes.
Harassing people is a crime, you turbo genius, and the answer to all the other questions you asked are also yes.
You have far more patience than I do for dealing with this Muppet. Good on you, and hope you have a nice day!
Harassing people is not a crime you turbo genious. You complain that I am harassing you now, am I committing a crime? Should I be evicted from my house.
Jesus you are a vile piece of human excrement. Kicking people out of their houses because a neighbor complains about harassment.
You are a sick sick individual and your cruel and dumb ideology must not be left unchallenged lest we become the USA.
We already have clear laws about assault and harrassment. I would like to see those upheld properly.
No one should be able to do those things, whether they are in Kainga Ora or own their own flat in Remuera.
Pigs are more likely to fly than do that.
Maybe. But I would think that’s more of an argument for a) police funding and b) pepperpotting which is international best practice for social housing anyway.
When I lived in leafy suburbs I once saw the police arrive within 5 minutes because a passerby had peed on someone’s letterbox.
Agreed, if we move on from the topic about not paying rent and onto a discussion around violence/harrassment or destruction of property, that’s a policing issue. KO as “landlord” could impose some penalties such as rehousing to a less desirable location or imposing fines, but throwing antisocial or violent people out onto the streets are simply going to make our streets full of more anti-social and violent behaviour that the public-at-large will then encounter. Longer term, we need to adapt our policies across the board to set the next generation up for success so people have less need for social housing and then everybody is better off. But in the circumstances we have today, it helps nobody to kick these people to the curb.
I agree with all these points. Long term I’d like to see a move away from creating ghettos (especially SROs to more pepperpotting.