We don’t need to designate specific people to specific work, there’s no real reason for that except to assume that the person with the job is qualified. This is detrimental, qualifications can be maintained without jobs.
I know a dozen people that would be excited to drive heavy equipment and crush things, I don’t think garbage collection would be as hard to staff as you think.
People would also have the opportunity to skill up and become qualified for a larger range of work if they were not committed to a single role as well. It seems like jobs reduce labour liquidity.
Garbage collection, sure, what about the engineers that designed the garbage truck, the manufacturing process, the miners, the chemical engineers figuring out how to properly handle it the mechanics repairing it, the planners designing routes, the mangers coordinating between the many many people that it takes to do this etc.
However that is irrelevant to the conversation at hand, which is, that of a right to a job and whether or not a job is natural and should exist. Collecting garbage is a job by any reasonable definition, whether you are paid to do it or not, or if you do it every single day or not. That’s why we have words for those scenarios such as ‘paid full time job’.
If you want to engage, I would ask that you actually respond to my statements instead of of just responding with non sequiturs.
I don’t even know what your point is, because you haven’t stated it clearly, at first you claimed that you are arguing for rights to collective infrastructure, which is completely and wholly unrelated to that of a right to and the existence of the concept of a job (again, the topic at hand), and now you seem to be arguing against something that doesn’t exist (at least not in the United States) which is that people are committed to a single role. I have changed careers multiple times, cross trained, and have degrees in different fields. Part time, contract, and freelance jobs exist. It isn’t illegal for you to hop between jobs, or work multiple jobs at once there are no obligations for you to have a specific job.
If your point is about the money attached, i again would argue that it’s irrelevant, the concept of a job is fundamentally divorced from any payment, charge, reward, or punishment. Jobs will always exist, because collections of work need to be accomplished (someone will always have to take the trash) and the right to a job is a good thing because it allows, but does not obligate, an individual to make a choice about their contribution while guaranteeing both outcomes are available, which is giving a person freedom.
So I ask again, what would you call a collection of related work and tasks that need to be done?
My point is, jobs and work aren’t the same thing. We can organise and complete work without it being a job.
It seems like you are using the term job to mean only a collection of work, and I’m using it to describe not that, but the ownership and employment paradigm that people think of when they “get a job”
The ownership of work stops being a “job” when it’s a collective responsibility.
We don’t need to designate specific people to specific work, there’s no real reason for that except to assume that the person with the job is qualified. This is detrimental, qualifications can be maintained without jobs.
I know a dozen people that would be excited to drive heavy equipment and crush things, I don’t think garbage collection would be as hard to staff as you think.
People would also have the opportunity to skill up and become qualified for a larger range of work if they were not committed to a single role as well. It seems like jobs reduce labour liquidity.
Garbage collection, sure, what about the engineers that designed the garbage truck, the manufacturing process, the miners, the chemical engineers figuring out how to properly handle it the mechanics repairing it, the planners designing routes, the mangers coordinating between the many many people that it takes to do this etc.
However that is irrelevant to the conversation at hand, which is, that of a right to a job and whether or not a job is natural and should exist. Collecting garbage is a job by any reasonable definition, whether you are paid to do it or not, or if you do it every single day or not. That’s why we have words for those scenarios such as ‘paid full time job’.
If you want to engage, I would ask that you actually respond to my statements instead of of just responding with non sequiturs.
I don’t even know what your point is, because you haven’t stated it clearly, at first you claimed that you are arguing for rights to collective infrastructure, which is completely and wholly unrelated to that of a right to and the existence of the concept of a job (again, the topic at hand), and now you seem to be arguing against something that doesn’t exist (at least not in the United States) which is that people are committed to a single role. I have changed careers multiple times, cross trained, and have degrees in different fields. Part time, contract, and freelance jobs exist. It isn’t illegal for you to hop between jobs, or work multiple jobs at once there are no obligations for you to have a specific job.
If your point is about the money attached, i again would argue that it’s irrelevant, the concept of a job is fundamentally divorced from any payment, charge, reward, or punishment. Jobs will always exist, because collections of work need to be accomplished (someone will always have to take the trash) and the right to a job is a good thing because it allows, but does not obligate, an individual to make a choice about their contribution while guaranteeing both outcomes are available, which is giving a person freedom. So I ask again, what would you call a collection of related work and tasks that need to be done?
My point is, jobs and work aren’t the same thing. We can organise and complete work without it being a job.
It seems like you are using the term job to mean only a collection of work, and I’m using it to describe not that, but the ownership and employment paradigm that people think of when they “get a job”
The ownership of work stops being a “job” when it’s a collective responsibility.