Pretty sure nobody who saw the Abu Ghraib photos was in favor of that. Failing to charge the Bush administration with war crimes was a huge lapse on the part of Nancy Pelosi at the time, and Obama after the fact. Their dereliction led directly to Trump.
Pretty sure nobody who saw the Abu Ghraib photos was in favor of that.
Fair, yeah, sorry, that was a more harsh comment than you deserved, states punishing people just makes me all no fun at parties mode, and that particular episode got seared into my brain pretty deeply so it’s like a reflexive go to.
To put the point I was trying to make less confrontationally - people who do cruel things always think they’re justified and there’s a natural urge to want to see bad people get punished that can lead to some really awful things, so we really need to keep a critical eye on it imo. That all said, yeah, giving people the option to do a carwash in decent weather is definitely not cruel punishment.
Failing to charge the Bush administration with war crimes was a huge lapse on the part of Nancy Pelosi at the time, and Obama after the fact. Their dereliction led directly to Trump.
Can’t agree strongly enough, so much of the money and people behind both of those political machines are the same and the threat to the country their “shock and awe disfavored outgroup at taxpayer expense and make our friends rich while doing so” posed to us should have been obvious long before we got to this point.
Pretty sure nobody who saw the Abu Ghraib photos was in favor of that. Failing to charge the Bush administration with war crimes was a huge lapse on the part of Nancy Pelosi at the time, and Obama after the fact. Their dereliction led directly to Trump.
Fair, yeah, sorry, that was a more harsh comment than you deserved, states punishing people just makes me all no fun at parties mode, and that particular episode got seared into my brain pretty deeply so it’s like a reflexive go to.
To put the point I was trying to make less confrontationally - people who do cruel things always think they’re justified and there’s a natural urge to want to see bad people get punished that can lead to some really awful things, so we really need to keep a critical eye on it imo. That all said, yeah, giving people the option to do a carwash in decent weather is definitely not cruel punishment.
Can’t agree strongly enough, so much of the money and people behind both of those political machines are the same and the threat to the country their “shock and awe disfavored outgroup at taxpayer expense and make our friends rich while doing so” posed to us should have been obvious long before we got to this point.