• @DicJacobus
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    37 days ago

    Hegseth, Musk and Vance have effectively declared NATO is dead as far as US is concerned. The only interest they have with europe is pilfering and looting your resources.

    • FaceDeer
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      107 days ago

      How ironic that the only country to actually invoke Article 5 and receive NATO assistance under it is the one that’s now ditching NATO.

      • @DicJacobus
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        27 days ago

        NATO by and large has been a tool of America to make Europe subservient to it, rather than an equal ally.

        People forget that the cold war was all about two countries trying to carve the world up into their own ideologies. America’s was the better option for a while, But Now they’re no option.

      • @DicJacobus
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        37 days ago

        Putin is an old man who fantasises about eras bygone, hes a conniving and sneaky person with ultimately very simple and untintelligent goals.

        • shoulderoforion
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          -47 days ago

          i do not contest any of that, and still, europe cannot defend itself against him. the only reason ukraine has been able to hold their own is whith massive and regular shipments of us weaponry. something europe has never stockpiled, nor developed the means of fabricating, in enough quantity to make even a token defense against the russian war machine. these are fact.

          • @DicJacobus
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            Russia’s Army is spent. All they are able to do against Europe in the short term is lob missiles and some artillery, and send poorly equipped 2nd and 3rd rate units at them now.

            dont get me wrong, It’d be bloody. itd no longer be the decisive ass kicking that it would have prior to the US’s fascist swerve. But Europe still has enough firepower to bring Russia to a halt. Russia expended its ability to wage large scale ground war in Ukraine.

            I dont know if you’re American, Im not saying that. But Americans seem to grossly overfixate on how “weak” Europe is. They have gaps in their capability if America was to fuck off tommorow. But they are far from helpless. Europe’s weakness is political will to switch from butter to guns, but they still have guns.

            • shoulderoforion
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              -37 days ago

              I think it will shock Europeans, but it will not shock me, how quickly Europe pivots from “Ukraine must be free” to cauterization. I think you vastly overestimate Europe’s ability to defend, in a conventional boots on the ground non nuclear conflagration, itself without American weapons shipments both free and without those no longer able to be purchased, which are now going to be off the table, as well as pent up Russian insanity, now after 3 years of having their asses handed to them and yet still gaining huge sections of Ukraine while suffering enormous losses

              • @DicJacobus
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                37 days ago

                Russia hasn’t been making huge gains. the overwhelming majority of their gains were secured in the first attack.