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Summary
According to the Telegraph, a leaked confidential Trump peace plan delivered to President Zelenskyy has caused panic in Kyiv.
The proposal would grant the U.S. half of revenues from Ukraine’s resource extraction and licensing, effectively amounting to economic colonization.
The Telegraph noted, “Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924.”
Simultaneously, the plan would absolve Russia for its invasion that has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.
I really appreciate you saying this (although I’m not OP). I’m scared for my family, my kid is in the LGBTQ community, and we live in fucking Florida, the smelly dick of the US. We are getting our passports setup just in case.
I work in maintenance/construction, and I’m surrounded by MAGA screaming idiots. These people can’t be argued with. All these people care about is hurting others. It’s astounding what this country has become. A shell of its former self. The US has already failed, and none of them can see it.
Trans refugees have been mentioned as the first priority, if that’s what’s going on.
Dope, you’ll find work easily. Our housing supply is jacked. I know one guy that got pulled out of retirement to be a foreman three days a week, and he says they’re paying him like he’s full-time and then some. You might even have a shot at economic migration now, although that system is a nightmare.
Like the other person mentioned, for that reason, if there’s a ton of Americans coming up all at once it’s recommend bringing your own accommodations. Even if it’s not a winter-safe RV, people can and do build a little insulated enclosure to protect the plumbing and manage heating costs.
Also in Florida. Love the state, hate the people.
With the number of Canadians leaving Florida, I don’t expect you will be needing much home construction soon.
And that concerns me for Canadians. If things continue on a downward trend, Americans with serious money (note: I do not have “serious” money) will head to Canada, further exacerbating the housing shortage.
We’ve got a housing shortage, so if we open the door to American refugees we’re going to need a lot of construction workers.
I say “You can come, but it could be a natural death sentence; Temperatures in cities
westeast of the rockies get very, VERY cold and you will need to survive by living in a tent because we are out of residences.”Unless you can build a house in the next 6 months, own a motorhome, or are on the west coast, you’re better off seeking asylum anywhere else that will take you first. I hear Japan or - if you have to - China have a few unoccupied buildings whose property values are affected by their plummeting birth rates. Look into those first, then any nations you have second citizenship in, then take your chances surviving our brutal winters (if you live in Michigan or North Dakota, you already know what kind of temperatures I’m talking about), and good luck.
Grabbing a motorhome or trailer is highly recommended, if you have any equity at all to play with. Even if you can’t find an all-season one, there’s campgrounds that will let you build an insulated enclosure around it.
I think you meant east.
I indeed do. Sorry about that!
Fellow Floridian keeping eyes on an out, but neither my wife nor I are quite “skilled” enough to go be able to get jobs elsewhere. She may be able to but she works in the arts so it likely wouldn’t pay much. I could work anywhere being in IT but I’m not specialized enough to get anything they wouldn’t just hire locally for.
Hang in there. Ive always said Florida is the best state if it wasn’t for the Floridians.
Hang in there and keep an eye on the west coast. If California votes in favor of secession, sell your house or get a loan for it as collateral, buy a motorhome with the money and go to northern California (preferrably somewhere near San Francisco). It’s super expensive (or at least it is at the time of writing, this being the place Silicon Valley is located) but, provided that California has already confirmed secession, you’ll be as far as you can get from “his” influence without leaving the Continental US.
Other options if you have no other citizenship are Hawaii, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Alaska and the Seattle area. If you can cross a border, head for Kelowna in British Columbia. I do not recommend trying to get through Texas to Mexico, there are a lot of culturally-engrained prejudices that you’re certainly familiar with that will have them questioning why a family would flee Florida “unless they’re trying to escape” and pre-emptively detain anyone traveling in a motorhome with their entire family. If possible, drive as far north as you can before turning west.
Use OsmAnd (an android GPS app that uses OpenStreetMap instead of Google Maps) on a cheap phone for your navigation, toss it and your normal phone if you have a close call. If you have ANY access to leave the country for one of similar safety for ANY reason, research their current state using wikipedia. Buy your tickets for an airline now and then prepare legal resources to apply for refugee status in the country you end up in (might take several long-distance calls). Worst-case scenario, you take your chances of being deported by creating a change.org petition and hope that the recipient country understands you’re not leaving the wealthiest country on earth if shit hasn’t hit the fan (they probably will be willing to listen). All of this is legal but will also keep you out of trouble if legality is not a barrier to those currently trying to take complete power in the US. Please note, I’m not an American or a lawyer, I just have a surprising amount of life experience. Good luck.
I appreciate you taking the time! This is some great information and has helped me explore some other options. Im not holding out for any kind of secession though. My countrymen, even the same ones in California, are too lethargic for that. I hope I’m wrong and we will find something to finally unite behind, but for now the discontent is scattered and general which makes individual action harder and less effective.