Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription
The bed’s only controls are via mobile app
You have to be crazy to pay for a product like this. You don’t need to be a security researcher to make an educated guess that the company behind this “bed” is going to spy on you.
Eight Sleep is clearly onto something, having raised $110 million dollars in venture capital, exceeding $300 million dollars in annual revenue.
I would have never thought this Eight Sleep outfit had hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue.
Ultimately I lost this argument and I will say their pad is better designed than their competition. I love the concept of pairing that pad which is good and harmless by itself with a different temperature controller. I kind of hoped for an alternate firmware for this device, since the hardware of the temperature controller is also well done apart from lack of buttons/remote controller.
Yeah, it was rough for me since I advocated for other options that weren’t this way, but had to admit that the engineering on the eight sleep just got to a better physical experience.
FreeSleep looks promising. Currently grandfathered into the pre-subscription required reality, but fully expect that to evaporate and then it’s off to do the FreeSleep stuff. I anticipate a local control loop will be so much better, and maybe be able to create tactile controls in a wifi based remote control.
Anyway, based on their terms, the customer data is definitely the actual product. In addition, the wording makes it seem likely that the de-identification is pretty weak.
Further details that should give anyone pause.
Admitting to not respecting “Do Not Track” signals, because they are not legally required to:
Mention of collecting data about gender at birth, whether one regularly sleeps with a partner, and menstrual cycle regularity:
These guys are creepy as fuck, without even getting to the possible backdoor. They are selling customer data with a contractual pinky-swear to not re-identify the data (this being mentioned, to me, means that there is a plausible means to do so). So.
What kind of creepiness could this data be used for?
Potential for blackmail/kompromat. (using sensors to detect patterns of sexual activity that could be infidelity or “sexual deviancy”)
Targeting people who may have had abortions.
Signs of not following religious doctrine (premarital sex, sex for purpose other than procreation, etc)
Checking whether the person is home and likely sleeping.
Spying on employees during their off-work hours (not that it’s ok during work hours) and/or scrutinizing sick leave.
There are a lot more possibilities. Way too dystopian and creepy.
You have to be crazy to pay for a product like this. You don’t need to be a security researcher to make an educated guess that the company behind this “bed” is going to spy on you.
I would have never thought this Eight Sleep outfit had hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue.
Ultimately I lost this argument and I will say their pad is better designed than their competition. I love the concept of pairing that pad which is good and harmless by itself with a different temperature controller. I kind of hoped for an alternate firmware for this device, since the hardware of the temperature controller is also well done apart from lack of buttons/remote controller.
That’s fair. I guess for me personally a “smart” bed that’s also tied to mandatory subscription is an outlandish concept.
Yeah, it was rough for me since I advocated for other options that weren’t this way, but had to admit that the engineering on the eight sleep just got to a better physical experience.
FreeSleep looks promising. Currently grandfathered into the pre-subscription required reality, but fully expect that to evaporate and then it’s off to do the FreeSleep stuff. I anticipate a local control loop will be so much better, and maybe be able to create tactile controls in a wifi based remote control.
I just looked at their Privacy Policy/ToS.
EDIT: Accidentally hit post.
Anyway, based on their terms, the customer data is definitely the actual product. In addition, the wording makes it seem likely that the de-identification is pretty weak.
Further details that should give anyone pause.
Admitting to not respecting “Do Not Track” signals, because they are not legally required to:
Mention of collecting data about gender at birth, whether one regularly sleeps with a partner, and menstrual cycle regularity:
These guys are creepy as fuck, without even getting to the possible backdoor. They are selling customer data with a contractual pinky-swear to not re-identify the data (this being mentioned, to me, means that there is a plausible means to do so). So.
What kind of creepiness could this data be used for?
Potential for blackmail/kompromat. (using sensors to detect patterns of sexual activity that could be infidelity or “sexual deviancy”)
Targeting people who may have had abortions.
Signs of not following religious doctrine (premarital sex, sex for purpose other than procreation, etc)
Checking whether the person is home and likely sleeping.
Spying on employees during their off-work hours (not that it’s ok during work hours) and/or scrutinizing sick leave.
There are a lot more possibilities. Way too dystopian and creepy.
Sounds like they’re from Texas.
Edit: Nope. New York somehow.
Trash company with a trash CEO. Until we start treating digital privacy on the same level as physical privacy, this sort of stuff will continue.