It is a claim spread to discredit them, both by pro Putin pro business far right media and pro business center media and politicians that have moved strongly to the right/far rigt over the past year.
Die Linke opposes delivering weapons into war zones but demands proper sanctions while keeping diplomatic channels open. Basically sending weapons is truly the last resort. The goal is to minimize the loss of human life
This is contrary to the CDU/CSU, FDP and SPD and to some extent Green policies, who rather have lackluster sanctions, ignore sanction violations but instead send weapons. The goal is to maximize business and to have Ukraine sacrifice itself for weakening Russia.
In terms of results for Ukraine the latter strategy has failed Ukraine, but was very successful from a business perspective. The more Russia is exhausted and the more Ukraine is destroyed, the more money can be made with rebuilding and buying off Ukraine from the Ukranians. Trumps recent demand of minerals worth 500 billion is only again speaking the quiet part out loud. But as both European and US weapon deliveries to Ukraine only ever allowed them to slowly loose, instead of properly win, it seems to be very plausible that sacrificing Ukranians to cause as much damage as possible was part of the strategy.
The strategy of die Linke is a bit to idealist now, as reestablishing Ukraine in its full sovereign borders will need more weapons, but mostly more troops. But the goal to safe human lifes as opposed to make money and have other people take the punches for your geopolitical targets, is at least a legitimate goal.
Note that the Green party seemed more interested in actually supporting Ukraine to the level necessary to defend itself, but the Greens were willing to make the compromises with the other parties to keep their own power.
Basically sending weapons is truly the last resort.
yeah that’s my opinion as well, but since everything else failed, what else can we do to make sure Putin doesn’t get anything of what he wants? after he invaded Ukraine after more than 25 years of diplomacy efforts, he made it very clear that diplomacy doesn’t work
Russia is still exporting about 750 million € of energy products every day. Most of it is shipped through the Baltic Sea and ends up in the EU either directly or indirectly with intermediaries in Turkiye and India.
The EU is Russias largest LNG buyer. I think that not paying Russia 500 Million € every day / limiting their means to export 500 Million € every day is a huge blow to Russias war efforts. Far stronger than the weapons delivered to Ukraine by the EU in 2024.
In terms of diplomacy the way NATO politics were made, in particular by the US in the past 25 years never gave a fuck about Ukraine.
In this regard i can recommend this lecture by Prof. John Mearsheimer, who not only warned against Ukraine’s nuclear disarmament in the 90s but also foresaw the current war.
even if Russia couldn’t sell any gas anymore (not even to China/India), this only has an effect long term. if we stop giving Ukraine arms, it won’t have that long
I agree that economic sanctions are the best way, but until those are effective enough, we need to give Ukraine the means to defend itself
I understand completely, as we have a party with exactly same ideals in my country and I supported them for the last 15 years.
The issue here is that they are completely and utterly wrong, to the point that one can only surmize that they are tankies supporting the Putin regime.
I don’t think anyone can look at Putin and his reign for the last 20 years and think that this is a rational person that can be dealt with. After all the agreements he broke, after assassinations, after checynia, after propaganda campaigns … After they invaded Ukraine again!!! We let them get away with it the first time!
This guy and the Russia he created only respects strength. This Linke strategy is so weak, so pointless, so clownish, that one can only understand that they are on his side!?
That’s how I see it. And I’m never never ever supporting the Linke we have in our country.
If not buying Russian gas, oil, coal, and other resources while also not selling machine and electronic parts that can be used in Russian weapons in your eyes is “weak, pointless and clownish” then i think you are not that serious about supporting Ukraine, as it might hurt business a little bit…
EDIT: Also note that in regards to Germany the SPD, CDU and FDP were eager to continue business mostly as usual with Russia after the Crimea invasion, even selling German gas infrastructure to Russian companies… If we had had a Green Left government at the time they would have sped up the renewable energy and transport transition, which had reduced the dependence on Russian energy imports instead.
Right now Putins main goal is to stop weapon deliveries to Ukraine - a country struggling to defend themselves from a tyrannic imperalist force.
The Linke want that too.
I don’t see how anything else matters in this situation.
I don’t see how anything else matters in this situation.
Russia is exporting about 500 Million € worth of Crude Oil, refined Oil and LNG per day with its ships, mostly through the Baltic Sea. A significant amount of that stuff either ends up in the EU directly or indirectly through India and Turkiye.
On top of that are still double digit Million € worth of pipeline Gas to the EU.
If you think that handing Russia 500 Million € every single day does not matter, you either don’t know what you are talking about or you don’t care about Ukraine as soon as it interferes with business.
for comparison Germany has approved arms exports worth about 14 billion € to Ukraine in 2024. So Germany has sent about 38 Million € of weapons to Ukraine per day, while sending about a 100 Million € to Russian proxies or even Russia directly in case of LNG per day.
Tell me. If you give one side in a war 2,5x the money than the other side. Which side are you on?
Answer why Linke and Putin both want to stop weapon deliveries to Ukraine?
Edit: I don’t actually think the Left is working with Putin. I think they are idiots that are helping Putin unknowingly. Plus, often tankies are in the most left parties, so it’s plausible there is some affection there.
It is a claim spread to discredit them, both by pro Putin pro business far right media and pro business center media and politicians that have moved strongly to the right/far rigt over the past year.
Die Linke opposes delivering weapons into war zones but demands proper sanctions while keeping diplomatic channels open. Basically sending weapons is truly the last resort. The goal is to minimize the loss of human life
This is contrary to the CDU/CSU, FDP and SPD and to some extent Green policies, who rather have lackluster sanctions, ignore sanction violations but instead send weapons. The goal is to maximize business and to have Ukraine sacrifice itself for weakening Russia.
In terms of results for Ukraine the latter strategy has failed Ukraine, but was very successful from a business perspective. The more Russia is exhausted and the more Ukraine is destroyed, the more money can be made with rebuilding and buying off Ukraine from the Ukranians. Trumps recent demand of minerals worth 500 billion is only again speaking the quiet part out loud. But as both European and US weapon deliveries to Ukraine only ever allowed them to slowly loose, instead of properly win, it seems to be very plausible that sacrificing Ukranians to cause as much damage as possible was part of the strategy.
The strategy of die Linke is a bit to idealist now, as reestablishing Ukraine in its full sovereign borders will need more weapons, but mostly more troops. But the goal to safe human lifes as opposed to make money and have other people take the punches for your geopolitical targets, is at least a legitimate goal.
Note that the Green party seemed more interested in actually supporting Ukraine to the level necessary to defend itself, but the Greens were willing to make the compromises with the other parties to keep their own power.
yeah that’s my opinion as well, but since everything else failed, what else can we do to make sure Putin doesn’t get anything of what he wants? after he invaded Ukraine after more than 25 years of diplomacy efforts, he made it very clear that diplomacy doesn’t work
Russia is still exporting about 750 million € of energy products every day. Most of it is shipped through the Baltic Sea and ends up in the EU either directly or indirectly with intermediaries in Turkiye and India.
The EU is Russias largest LNG buyer. I think that not paying Russia 500 Million € every day / limiting their means to export 500 Million € every day is a huge blow to Russias war efforts. Far stronger than the weapons delivered to Ukraine by the EU in 2024.
https://energyandcleanair.org/december-2024-monthly-analysis-of-russian-fossil-fuel-exports-and-sanctions/
https://www.politico.eu/article/how-turkey-become-vladimir-putin-pit-stop-sell-camouflage-fuel-eu/
In terms of diplomacy the way NATO politics were made, in particular by the US in the past 25 years never gave a fuck about Ukraine.
In this regard i can recommend this lecture by Prof. John Mearsheimer, who not only warned against Ukraine’s nuclear disarmament in the 90s but also foresaw the current war.
even if Russia couldn’t sell any gas anymore (not even to China/India), this only has an effect long term. if we stop giving Ukraine arms, it won’t have that long
I agree that economic sanctions are the best way, but until those are effective enough, we need to give Ukraine the means to defend itself
I understand completely, as we have a party with exactly same ideals in my country and I supported them for the last 15 years. The issue here is that they are completely and utterly wrong, to the point that one can only surmize that they are tankies supporting the Putin regime.
I don’t think anyone can look at Putin and his reign for the last 20 years and think that this is a rational person that can be dealt with. After all the agreements he broke, after assassinations, after checynia, after propaganda campaigns … After they invaded Ukraine again!!! We let them get away with it the first time! This guy and the Russia he created only respects strength. This Linke strategy is so weak, so pointless, so clownish, that one can only understand that they are on his side!?
That’s how I see it. And I’m never never ever supporting the Linke we have in our country.
If not buying Russian gas, oil, coal, and other resources while also not selling machine and electronic parts that can be used in Russian weapons in your eyes is “weak, pointless and clownish” then i think you are not that serious about supporting Ukraine, as it might hurt business a little bit…
EDIT: Also note that in regards to Germany the SPD, CDU and FDP were eager to continue business mostly as usual with Russia after the Crimea invasion, even selling German gas infrastructure to Russian companies… If we had had a Green Left government at the time they would have sped up the renewable energy and transport transition, which had reduced the dependence on Russian energy imports instead.
If if if.
Right now Putins main goal is to stop weapon deliveries to Ukraine - a country struggling to defend themselves from a tyrannic imperalist force. The Linke want that too.
I don’t see how anything else matters in this situation.
Russia is exporting about 500 Million € worth of Crude Oil, refined Oil and LNG per day with its ships, mostly through the Baltic Sea. A significant amount of that stuff either ends up in the EU directly or indirectly through India and Turkiye.
On top of that are still double digit Million € worth of pipeline Gas to the EU.
If you think that handing Russia 500 Million € every single day does not matter, you either don’t know what you are talking about or you don’t care about Ukraine as soon as it interferes with business.
https://energyandcleanair.org/december-2024-monthly-analysis-of-russian-fossil-fuel-exports-and-sanctions/
https://www.politico.eu/article/how-turkey-become-vladimir-putin-pit-stop-sell-camouflage-fuel-eu/
for comparison Germany has approved arms exports worth about 14 billion € to Ukraine in 2024. So Germany has sent about 38 Million € of weapons to Ukraine per day, while sending about a 100 Million € to Russian proxies or even Russia directly in case of LNG per day.
Tell me. If you give one side in a war 2,5x the money than the other side. Which side are you on?
Deflect much?
Answer why Linke and Putin both want to stop weapon deliveries to Ukraine?
Edit: I don’t actually think the Left is working with Putin. I think they are idiots that are helping Putin unknowingly. Plus, often tankies are in the most left parties, so it’s plausible there is some affection there.