I worked with and encountered many politicians in the past and maybe 1 in 10 Dems was “pro” corporate that I encountered. The problem is that the 1 in 10 are enough to slow progress to a crawl. Just assuming that all Dems are beholden to billionaires is silly.
Many of those running for office are using the only left wing mechanism available. Left wing people are all over the party in state and federal governments. If we want our government to move left, we need the Dems to move left.
You move them left by becoming the party and forcing them further left, imo. The party is a sum of it’s people, if the members become more left wing, then the party will. See what Trump did to the Republicans, half the party despised him, they feed his agenda because without him their party ends. The left wing could do the same if they didn’t see giving up as a viable strategy…
I’ve heard this song since the 1970s, and it’s not a golden oldie. It’s futility, working from inside to change a beast that’s determined to out-Republican the Republicans.
Accelerationism and violent revolution rarely provide the outcome people are looking for. It just creates a power vacuum that powerful people fill. The idea that we can just break it and start over is a fantasy. If we break it, people like Peter Theil get their wildest dreams of corporate city states, or someone else gets their slavery and genocide. Bernie Sanders and AOC are not going to be starting the new government.
Ahh, got it. Well the party is just a mechanism, it can be completely replaced and/or highjacked. I think the problem is really the lack of a cohesive block of people on the left. People on the left have about as many beliefs as stars in the sky, and too much pride to merge those together into a movement with a consensus. I don’t think the left has ever really given real organized effort to highjacking/replacing the party, they’ve spent more time protesting it instead.
Additionally, we are smaller than people on Lemmy believe, part of highjacking the party has to be vastly improved messaging and outreach. Bernie isn’t even that far left and I remember about 3/4 of Dems over 50 in my area hating him, calling him an extremist. True left wing people are smaller than we think.
I’m a true left wing person, and I’d like to be smaller, like 2XL instead of 3XL.
There’s nothing ‘left’ in the Democratic Party. It’s the center, and always willing to compromise with the right no matter how loony and hateful the right becomes. America needs a viable party on the left, and until that happens nothing’s happening except fascism.
But I say that cordially! Seriously, almost all you’ve said about working within the system and reforming the Democratic Party sounds like something I might’ve said myself, 40 years ago. Watching the continental drift has changed my perspective.
I worked with and encountered many politicians in the past and maybe 1 in 10 Dems was “pro” corporate that I encountered. The problem is that the 1 in 10 are enough to slow progress to a crawl. Just assuming that all Dems are beholden to billionaires is silly.
Many of those running for office are using the only left wing mechanism available. Left wing people are all over the party in state and federal governments. If we want our government to move left, we need the Dems to move left.
You move them left by becoming the party and forcing them further left, imo. The party is a sum of it’s people, if the members become more left wing, then the party will. See what Trump did to the Republicans, half the party despised him, they feed his agenda because without him their party ends. The left wing could do the same if they didn’t see giving up as a viable strategy…
I’ve heard this song since the 1970s, and it’s not a golden oldie. It’s futility, working from inside to change a beast that’s determined to out-Republican the Republicans.
Burn it all down.
Accelerationism and violent revolution rarely provide the outcome people are looking for. It just creates a power vacuum that powerful people fill. The idea that we can just break it and start over is a fantasy. If we break it, people like Peter Theil get their wildest dreams of corporate city states, or someone else gets their slavery and genocide. Bernie Sanders and AOC are not going to be starting the new government.
Well, I don’t disagree with that, but my “burn it all down” was for the Democratic Party, not the USA.
Ahh, got it. Well the party is just a mechanism, it can be completely replaced and/or highjacked. I think the problem is really the lack of a cohesive block of people on the left. People on the left have about as many beliefs as stars in the sky, and too much pride to merge those together into a movement with a consensus. I don’t think the left has ever really given real organized effort to highjacking/replacing the party, they’ve spent more time protesting it instead.
Additionally, we are smaller than people on Lemmy believe, part of highjacking the party has to be vastly improved messaging and outreach. Bernie isn’t even that far left and I remember about 3/4 of Dems over 50 in my area hating him, calling him an extremist. True left wing people are smaller than we think.
I’m a true left wing person, and I’d like to be smaller, like 2XL instead of 3XL.
There’s nothing ‘left’ in the Democratic Party. It’s the center, and always willing to compromise with the right no matter how loony and hateful the right becomes. America needs a viable party on the left, and until that happens nothing’s happening except fascism.
But I say that cordially! Seriously, almost all you’ve said about working within the system and reforming the Democratic Party sounds like something I might’ve said myself, 40 years ago. Watching the continental drift has changed my perspective.