Without a chain I wouldn’t call this a bicycle or eMTB anymore. It’s a moped and a pretty slow one.
9 s for 0-25 km/h on an 8% incline? That’s pitifully weak. My muscles are better than that and I’m not a sport freak.
This is true in the general, colloquial sense. That said, in some legal jurisdictions such as California, the laws defining a “moped” (the Vehicle Code uses “motorized bicycle” synonymously) were expanded to include a provision where electric mopeds can eschew the pedals. Such CA-legal electric mopeds thus very much resemble a small motorbike, rather than hewing closer to the moped’s bicycle origins.
But that’s the sort of confusion that legislatures will add to their legal definitions, historical accuracy be darned. The policy objective for adding such a provision was to incentivize electric mopeds as zero-tailpipe emission transportation, but this was before ebikes came onto the scene. Still, electric mopeds have their place in California, allowed to use bike lanes alongside bicycles and aren’t subject to insurance laws, but can ride on all roads (except freeways) in any lane like an automobile.
Sure, and motorized bicycles have chains. I just find it very weird that you are saying something is a moped because it’s chainless when most mopeds, and motorized bicycles have chains.
I just find it very weird that you are saying something is a moped because it’s chainless when most mopeds, and motorized bicycles have chains.
It’s the other way around: I am saying that both chain-driven and chainless mopeds validly exist – because different definitions of “moped” exist – so to disqualify something as a moped because it is chainless is not always valid. Kindly do not twist the causality of what I’ve written.
Without a chain I wouldn’t call this a bicycle or eMTB anymore. It’s a moped and a pretty slow one.
9 s for 0-25 km/h on an 8% incline? That’s pitifully weak. My muscles are better than that and I’m not a sport freak.
But mopeds have chains. 🤔
Not all of them. Some only have a hub motor.
Then it’s literally not a moped. “Moped” is a portmantaux of “motor” and “pedals”. Like this:
This is true in the general, colloquial sense. That said, in some legal jurisdictions such as California, the laws defining a “moped” (the Vehicle Code uses “motorized bicycle” synonymously) were expanded to include a provision where electric mopeds can eschew the pedals. Such CA-legal electric mopeds thus very much resemble a small motorbike, rather than hewing closer to the moped’s bicycle origins.
But that’s the sort of confusion that legislatures will add to their legal definitions, historical accuracy be darned. The policy objective for adding such a provision was to incentivize electric mopeds as zero-tailpipe emission transportation, but this was before ebikes came onto the scene. Still, electric mopeds have their place in California, allowed to use bike lanes alongside bicycles and aren’t subject to insurance laws, but can ride on all roads (except freeways) in any lane like an automobile.
Sure, and motorized bicycles have chains. I just find it very weird that you are saying something is a moped because it’s chainless when most mopeds, and motorized bicycles have chains.
It’s the other way around: I am saying that both chain-driven and chainless mopeds validly exist – because different definitions of “moped” exist – so to disqualify something as a moped because it is chainless is not always valid. Kindly do not twist the causality of what I’ve written.
That’s LITERALLY what you said!
And all I said is it’s weird because most—and I said most—mopeds have chains.