I watched a bit of the meeting, not the whole thing, but the bit where Trump and Vance started lashing out at Zelenskyy. There’s been a lot of talk about it on here, and I agree Trump and Vance are big man babies trying to bully Ukraine into an unfavorable deal, but I’m still not clear on how this affects, well, everything I guess. Can someone ELI5?

  • @[email protected]
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    Obviously war on Russia is the smartest thing ever, and has historically been so successful. So the natural reaction when your main war sponsor backs away is to double down and buy that former sponsor’s weapons while sacrificing social spending to do it. Totally not what a CIA stooge that says “Fuck Europe” would say, and better be a CIA stooge than have a brain cell against suicide.

    • guldukat
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      You really are a useful idiot, subtly blaming Ukraine for its own invasion.

      • @[email protected]
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        -722 hours ago

        It is so disturbing and shameful that people are walk around thinking this war was unprovoked. If that can’t be changed, you can still wake up and realize that pursuing failure would be stupid.

        • guldukat
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          Do tell, how did Ukraine provoke the invasion?

          • @[email protected]
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            It was a joint US/Ukraine provocation for sure. First, Ukraine’s nazification rule started with US coup in 2014, and US controlled IMF sabotaging/making Yanukovych’s EU trade deal impossible. US/west’s insincere participation in Russia’s peaceful attempt to deal with Ukrainian nazification and hostilities towards Russians, the Minsk accords, was an insincere delay tactic to arm Ukraine. The Apartheid laws against ethnic Russians, and US arming of nazi paramilitaries that killed over 5000 in Donbas since 2014. US’s open door NATO policy for Ukraine membership, and plans for missile bases there, together with ramp up of Donbas terrorism and no talks with Russia in early 2022, forced Russia’s SMO. The concerted western propaganda disrespecting Russia on its security is clear direct proof of evil intentions behind the provocation of the “desirable” war, named “a strategic US imperative (for it to continue indefinitely)” as well.

            • @[email protected]
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              318 hours ago

              lol did the FSB give you this script? That’s like, every single one of Putin’s talking points, which are more or less complete horseshit

              • @[email protected]
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                -518 hours ago

                Reality has a Russian bias. You can go fact check everything I said, instead of the childish “Russia said this so it must be false”

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                  No, because I’ve done the research years ago, and it’s bullshit. You’re pushing misinformation. I’m not debating you. I’m just calling you out for pushing complete falsehoods that have already been largely disproven.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    -39 hours ago

                    So extremely sad. You claim to have a researched opinion to deny reality. Like others of your kind, no factual statement of any kind.