I didn’t say that, but I do think it would be good for you to reconsider your wording, especially considering you admit to not understanding, and then acknowledged later the relation to trans feelings and how the two can be related.
But I’m not a “ban them” kind of guy. I’m more of a “remove their comment and explain” kind of guy.
My comment wasn’t intended to suggest that being trans is a form of gender cosplay, so I apologize if that was how it read.
However, I will stand behind my statement that identifying as a totally different species is indeed pure fantasy that makes no real world sense to me.
I do support it in the same vein that I support all creativity and fun. Furries-- fuck if I understand that, but if no one (or animal) is getting hurt, go wild and have a great time.
That being said, if I was asked by a furry to only refer to them as a dog or cat in all real world scenarios because that’s the species they identify as, I simply cannot pander and think it’s a pretty unreasonable and fantastical expectation.
I’m going to stand behind my statement that you’re being demeaning for no reason then.
Let’s try this. I’m going to just change a few words, and let’s see how this feels to you:
That being said, if I was asked by a trans woman to only refer to them as a woman in all real world scenarios because that’s the gender they identify as, I simply cannot pander and think it’s a pretty unreasonable and fantastical expectation.
That would be a pretty shitty take considering all we know about being trans, right?
Why does it have to make sense to you for you to not be shitty about it?
Why put so much effort in to be antagonistic rather than just acknowledge and either ignore and move on or refer to others as they’d prefer?
I don’t consider it much different, personally. It doesn’t bother or offend me. It doesnt hurt me to call someone by whatever they want to be called.
What I don’t feel is a need to be hurtful in reference to their feelings.
You can change all the words you want, but that’s not what I said, and I feel it’s insincere to suggest the two statements are equal.
I’m allowed to draw a line and say, “this isn’t my burden to bear, and I don’t have to comply to simply avoid a rocked boat.”
The offensive part to me I suspect is the same thing op finds offensive, which is the expectation that I am to comply with what is clearly someone’s fantasy in all shape and definition.
We know gender identity is fluid and complex. We know sexuality is fluid and complex. The verdict is definitely way out there that species falls into this category, too.
I feel it’s insincere to suggest the two statements are equal.
I think its insincere to suggest they aren’t. After all…
what is clearly someone’s fantasy in all shape and definition.
The verdict is definitely way out there that species falls into this column, too.
These two statements seem to be completely opposed to each other.
Not to mention, that same attitude was held towards trans folks for a long time, wasn’t it? That they couldn’t possibly feel that way, and it was just an expression of homosexuality?
I was trying to be generous with the “verdict is way out there” part. There will never be a day where a human is actually a dragon.
I am aware of a woman who is also a cat. I watched her belly dance in a jungle to a track by the artist Deep Forest. It was the first time as a preteen that I realized how sensual women could be. Or rather, cat women.
There are people who have the genuine belief in their “other” aspect of themselves. So thats how they prefer to be referred to. I think poking fun at that is unnecessary and wrong, its kind of as simple as that. Not something exclusive to this situation, just a pretty decent general rule.
What I would say the verdict is absolutely out on is a “why”, and the impact it has on individuals. So a bit of courtesy and basic decency is all thats needed.
Transracialism has way more merit than transpeciesism, though.
I grew up amongst hispanic families, and definitely don’t find it far fetched to identify with a different race, culturally and behaviorally. So I could see it, even though it might be a bit misplaced.
But simply feeling Black or Hispanic doesn’t make one Black or Hispanic; race is a cultural issue and culturally defined. Yet by the other commenter’s arguments, feeling Black or Hispanic would be enough to make them unquestionably valid, because we cannot question the feelings of others.
You want me to ban myself?
Did you ban yourself? lol
I didn’t say that, but I do think it would be good for you to reconsider your wording, especially considering you admit to not understanding, and then acknowledged later the relation to trans feelings and how the two can be related.
But I’m not a “ban them” kind of guy. I’m more of a “remove their comment and explain” kind of guy.
My comment wasn’t intended to suggest that being trans is a form of gender cosplay, so I apologize if that was how it read.
However, I will stand behind my statement that identifying as a totally different species is indeed pure fantasy that makes no real world sense to me.
I do support it in the same vein that I support all creativity and fun. Furries-- fuck if I understand that, but if no one (or animal) is getting hurt, go wild and have a great time.
That being said, if I was asked by a furry to only refer to them as a dog or cat in all real world scenarios because that’s the species they identify as, I simply cannot pander and think it’s a pretty unreasonable and fantastical expectation.
I’m going to stand behind my statement that you’re being demeaning for no reason then.
Let’s try this. I’m going to just change a few words, and let’s see how this feels to you:
That would be a pretty shitty take considering all we know about being trans, right?
Why does it have to make sense to you for you to not be shitty about it?
Why put so much effort in to be antagonistic rather than just acknowledge and either ignore and move on or refer to others as they’d prefer?
I don’t consider it much different, personally. It doesn’t bother or offend me. It doesnt hurt me to call someone by whatever they want to be called.
What I don’t feel is a need to be hurtful in reference to their feelings.
You can change all the words you want, but that’s not what I said, and I feel it’s insincere to suggest the two statements are equal.
I’m allowed to draw a line and say, “this isn’t my burden to bear, and I don’t have to comply to simply avoid a rocked boat.”
The offensive part to me I suspect is the same thing op finds offensive, which is the expectation that I am to comply with what is clearly someone’s fantasy in all shape and definition.
We know gender identity is fluid and complex. We know sexuality is fluid and complex. The verdict is definitely way out there that species falls into this category, too.
I think its insincere to suggest they aren’t. After all…
These two statements seem to be completely opposed to each other.
Not to mention, that same attitude was held towards trans folks for a long time, wasn’t it? That they couldn’t possibly feel that way, and it was just an expression of homosexuality?
Anyway, I’m off for tonight, enjoy your night.
I was trying to be generous with the “verdict is way out there” part. There will never be a day where a human is actually a dragon.
I am aware of a woman who is also a cat. I watched her belly dance in a jungle to a track by the artist Deep Forest. It was the first time as a preteen that I realized how sensual women could be. Or rather, cat women.
There are people who have the genuine belief in their “other” aspect of themselves. So thats how they prefer to be referred to. I think poking fun at that is unnecessary and wrong, its kind of as simple as that. Not something exclusive to this situation, just a pretty decent general rule.
What I would say the verdict is absolutely out on is a “why”, and the impact it has on individuals. So a bit of courtesy and basic decency is all thats needed.
How do you feel about transracialism?
Isn’t this a common TERF comparison?
I didn’t realize TERFs often compared trans-species delusions to transracialism.
They compare transgender identities with transracialism. Close though.
It’s close because it… includes a comparison to transracialism somewhere?
Is any comparison to transracialism in any context TERF now? Because that’s the extent of the argument being presented.
Fucking ridiculous. Just throwing out labels and badjacketing in the hopes that it’ll stick.
Transracialism has way more merit than transpeciesism, though.
I grew up amongst hispanic families, and definitely don’t find it far fetched to identify with a different race, culturally and behaviorally. So I could see it, even though it might be a bit misplaced.
Like, that’s at least based in reality.
But simply feeling Black or Hispanic doesn’t make one Black or Hispanic; race is a cultural issue and culturally defined. Yet by the other commenter’s arguments, feeling Black or Hispanic would be enough to make them unquestionably valid, because we cannot question the feelings of others.
My only point is that transracialism could at least be argued as having a real world basis, rooted in complex experiences of culture and race.
Identifying as a dragon, not so much…
Historical or modern?
Or that the modern usage has some scientific basis, and its still being explored?
Short answer - its a subject thats still being explored but has a degree of scientific support, so I see no reason to be mean about it.
What the ever-loving fuck
Princeton, about ten years ago. I’ll dig up the materials tomorrow if you want.
Like I said, I like reading scientific materials.
If it’s Brubaker, he’s not saying what you think he is.