Honestly feel horrible for Zelensky.
Imagine having to sit there and be shouted down to by two men so obviously and utterly corrupt that they consider helping your country fight off tyranny to be a favour, as though that isn’t what the Western world should be doing by default.
they didn’t consider helping ukraine at all when zelensky got to the white house, the die was cast against ukraine on the evening on november 5th when the election results were tabulated. it was done. trump was always going to abandon ukraine to russia, there was nothing zelensky could have said, or done, to change this. they set the whole public plan in motion, first by trump mentioning rare earth minerals, then having the us emissaries hand zelensky a blank check memo at the munich security conference they knew he wouldn’t sign without security gurantees they never were going to make, then trump magically reconsidered, and seemingly overnight the deal was back on, to be signed at the white house, where they ambushed zelensky in front of kremlin press, europe, and the whole rest of the world
I’m very concerned about how many people mistake Trump’s attempts at appeasement as “peace”. People are actually buying that Zelensky “doesn’t want peace”.
What can be done to change this narrative to the people who don’t get it?
I don’t think appeasement is the right word, as that would imply Trump is actually trying to help Ukraine rather than trying to slowly create a narrative to justify abandoning Ukraine to Russia.
The worst part is I would bet Zelensky is keenly aware of what Trump is up to, but knows any attempt to distance from Trump would only make it easier for Trump to justify abandoning his people to the wolves.
I don’t think it’s just abandonment of Ukraine. It is also Trump wanting to carve out his piece of Ukraine while Russia gets the rest. I think he thought he might be able to humilate Zelensky into signing away mineral rights.
I guess I used the word “appeasement” because it can resemble peace to the less knowledgeable people. I just don’t know how to get people to see the danger of this type of policy.
I’m amazed at how many people don’t think that this will eventually affect them too.
as though that isn’t what the Western world should be doing by default.
Vaguely gestures at what the West has been doing since WWII. The only thing Trump is doing differently here is that the people he’s bullying are white.
Geopolitically it’s a pretty big deal, I know, but morally it’s very much in line with what the US does on a daily basis around the world. Just now it’s white people feeling the effects rather than brown people.
Honestly feel horrible for Zelensky. Imagine having to sit there and be shouted down to by two men so obviously and utterly corrupt that they consider helping your country fight off tyranny to be a favour, as though that isn’t what the Western world should be doing by default.
they didn’t consider helping ukraine at all when zelensky got to the white house, the die was cast against ukraine on the evening on november 5th when the election results were tabulated. it was done. trump was always going to abandon ukraine to russia, there was nothing zelensky could have said, or done, to change this. they set the whole public plan in motion, first by trump mentioning rare earth minerals, then having the us emissaries hand zelensky a blank check memo at the munich security conference they knew he wouldn’t sign without security gurantees they never were going to make, then trump magically reconsidered, and seemingly overnight the deal was back on, to be signed at the white house, where they ambushed zelensky in front of kremlin press, europe, and the whole rest of the world
I’d, in fact, bet it was cast precisely during the event the OP is talking about. This is revenge for that.
They are not men. They act like boys.
I’m very concerned about how many people mistake Trump’s attempts at appeasement as “peace”. People are actually buying that Zelensky “doesn’t want peace”. What can be done to change this narrative to the people who don’t get it?
— Martin Luther King Jr.
I don’t think appeasement is the right word, as that would imply Trump is actually trying to help Ukraine rather than trying to slowly create a narrative to justify abandoning Ukraine to Russia.
The worst part is I would bet Zelensky is keenly aware of what Trump is up to, but knows any attempt to distance from Trump would only make it easier for Trump to justify abandoning his people to the wolves.
I don’t think it’s just abandonment of Ukraine. It is also Trump wanting to carve out his piece of Ukraine while Russia gets the rest. I think he thought he might be able to humilate Zelensky into signing away mineral rights.
I guess I used the word “appeasement” because it can resemble peace to the less knowledgeable people. I just don’t know how to get people to see the danger of this type of policy. I’m amazed at how many people don’t think that this will eventually affect them too.
Vaguely gestures at what the West has been doing since WWII. The only thing Trump is doing differently here is that the people he’s bullying are white.
Trump is mask off USA
If you cannot see how this is different than what has happened before, I don’t know what to tell you.
The only thing I can think of that compares (but on a smaller level) is what Trump did to the Kurds fighting ISIS in Syria.
Geopolitically it’s a pretty big deal, I know, but morally it’s very much in line with what the US does on a daily basis around the world. Just now it’s white people feeling the effects rather than brown people.
If you cannot see how often the US has been the invader, overthrowing a small country’s government for their resources, I don’t know what to tell you.
I feel like all the countries aided by USAID would like a word…