It’s never about making them not exist. It’s about destroying the value of the car, so fewer new ones are sold. If the used market is full of like-new versions for significantly lower prices, the number the company can sell will drop dramatically.
Musk’s wealth is largely in stocks. If we can make the value of his companies drop them we directly hurt his wealth. The cars don’t matter. The value of the company matters.
Europe seems to be successfully choosing not to buy more which will be both faster and more effective at reducing the number of Teslas sold and having it leave the market.
The number of them out there is erroneous. It’s what perceived value they have that matters.
And the value of used cars can drastically affect the value of new cars.
Anyone buying a Tesla now, knows what they’re buying, and what it can imply.
Those selling are often selling to avoid the implication that comes with owning a Tesla.
The value doesn’t matter if they are still around. I guess it could reduce future new sales. But if someone has a shitty thing in public and just sells it to someone else who also has it in public the end result is the shitty thing being in public.
Cool, so if the price goes down and now some less well off person who cares more about their necessary affordable transportation can buy an electric car. Do we blame them for choosing a cheap Tesla over taking a voluntary stand against Musk when they aren’t giving money to Musk in the second hand market?
Other than the person who sold the car no longer having that car, what does this solve?
Less money to musk, that’s what this solves. The lower the used market value, the lower the new market value.
Yes the car is still out there… what do we do. Blame everyone who bought a Tesla when they weren’t implications of Nazis? Expect them to literally crush or otherwise remove the Tesla from any use?
Selling them means that more pro musk people have less money. And yes it may be a choice of cheap Tesla with being thought of a Nazi… that’s what happens when you have Nazi shit.
Ideally the price of Tesla gets so low that nobody will buy new and Tesla goes out of business.
Or Tesla and musk somehow separate themselves, and Tesla is no longer a swasticar manufacturer.
I keep seeing this talking point, and I can’t tell if it’s just bad faith propaganda, or if so many people really are this obtuse.
Where did anyone get the idea that selling a car because the head of the company is a Nazi is intended to reduce the number of extant cars? It’s such a specifically stupid argument that I have a hard time believing more than one person came up with it on their own. It’s like if you were debating coke vs pepsi, and suddenly there were hundreds of people chiming in, “Have you tried standing on your head and peeing into your own mouth?” It’s neither intelligent nor relevant in any way. That’s what you sound like. Having one person say it is weird, but seeing multiple comments makes you wonder if you’re not just mindlessly repeating something somebody told you to say.
The meme is suggesting passing the thing along to the next person who will then be the target. Like selling a nazi uniform to someone else who will wear it instead, it wxchanged hands but is atill around.
It is an obvious possible first take, not some mysterious coordinated pooh poohing of a meme.
it’s like if you were debating coke vs pepsi, and suddenly there were hundreds of people chiming in, “Have you tried standing on your head and peeing into your own mouth?” It’s neither intelligent nor relevant in any way. That’s what you sound like.
This both makes zero sense as a comparison and shows you lack reading comprehension skills.
I agree, you’re making zero sense. Nazis didn’t make money selling uniforms. Maybe Hugo Boss did, but that’s not at all analogous to a car.
The point is not to destroy a uniform, the point is to stop driving a Nazi car. If someone wants a Nazi car, they can either buy a new one or buy a used one. If there are more used Nazi cars available, then this drives the price down, reduces the aura of scarcity, and reduces the number of new Nazi cars sold, and thus reduces the amount of money going into Nazi pockets.
That is a massively better response than accusing people of some weird conspiracy and insulting them for not seeing things the same way you do.
I don’t think it actually works that way, and people simply boycotting future purchases seems like a more effective strategy at cutting off Tesla income since that is already working in Europe.
Boycots only work so far as people agree with you. This also includes boycots, but it forces the price down and used volume up so even people who disagree may buy used instead of giving money to Tesla.
Yeah, it’s hoping they agree with you and trying to give them the extra push to ditch it. Obviously this won’t effect someone who supports Musk.
The point is, selling it drops the value. This is even better than a boycot only. A boycot has people who agree not buy. Dropping used value and increasing supply makes people who don’t agree not buy (from the company).
And if they disagree but understand the purpose then they can sell their car and use the money to buy a new one and the old one is still on the road so the letter backfires.
I get the idea behind the letter, just don’t think it will do what it is intended to do.
Even pointless ones that don’t result in fewer of the thing existing? Selling it just means passing off the note to the next person.
It’s never about making them not exist. It’s about destroying the value of the car, so fewer new ones are sold. If the used market is full of like-new versions for significantly lower prices, the number the company can sell will drop dramatically.
Musk’s wealth is largely in stocks. If we can make the value of his companies drop them we directly hurt his wealth. The cars don’t matter. The value of the company matters.
Europe seems to be successfully choosing not to buy more which will be both faster and more effective at reducing the number of Teslas sold and having it leave the market.
Yeah, but you’re selling it to somebody who would buy a Tesla in 2025.
The number of them out there is erroneous. It’s what perceived value they have that matters.
And the value of used cars can drastically affect the value of new cars.
Anyone buying a Tesla now, knows what they’re buying, and what it can imply. Those selling are often selling to avoid the implication that comes with owning a Tesla.
The value doesn’t matter if they are still around. I guess it could reduce future new sales. But if someone has a shitty thing in public and just sells it to someone else who also has it in public the end result is the shitty thing being in public.
Cool, so if the price goes down and now some less well off person who cares more about their necessary affordable transportation can buy an electric car. Do we blame them for choosing a cheap Tesla over taking a voluntary stand against Musk when they aren’t giving money to Musk in the second hand market?
Other than the person who sold the car no longer having that car, what does this solve?
Less money to musk, that’s what this solves. The lower the used market value, the lower the new market value.
Yes the car is still out there… what do we do. Blame everyone who bought a Tesla when they weren’t implications of Nazis? Expect them to literally crush or otherwise remove the Tesla from any use?
Selling them means that more pro musk people have less money. And yes it may be a choice of cheap Tesla with being thought of a Nazi… that’s what happens when you have Nazi shit.
Ideally the price of Tesla gets so low that nobody will buy new and Tesla goes out of business.
Or Tesla and musk somehow separate themselves, and Tesla is no longer a swasticar manufacturer.
I keep seeing this talking point, and I can’t tell if it’s just bad faith propaganda, or if so many people really are this obtuse.
Where did anyone get the idea that selling a car because the head of the company is a Nazi is intended to reduce the number of extant cars? It’s such a specifically stupid argument that I have a hard time believing more than one person came up with it on their own. It’s like if you were debating coke vs pepsi, and suddenly there were hundreds of people chiming in, “Have you tried standing on your head and peeing into your own mouth?” It’s neither intelligent nor relevant in any way. That’s what you sound like. Having one person say it is weird, but seeing multiple comments makes you wonder if you’re not just mindlessly repeating something somebody told you to say.
The meme is suggesting passing the thing along to the next person who will then be the target. Like selling a nazi uniform to someone else who will wear it instead, it wxchanged hands but is atill around.
It is an obvious possible first take, not some mysterious coordinated pooh poohing of a meme.
This both makes zero sense as a comparison and shows you lack reading comprehension skills.
I agree, you’re making zero sense. Nazis didn’t make money selling uniforms. Maybe Hugo Boss did, but that’s not at all analogous to a car.
The point is not to destroy a uniform, the point is to stop driving a Nazi car. If someone wants a Nazi car, they can either buy a new one or buy a used one. If there are more used Nazi cars available, then this drives the price down, reduces the aura of scarcity, and reduces the number of new Nazi cars sold, and thus reduces the amount of money going into Nazi pockets.
That is a massively better response than accusing people of some weird conspiracy and insulting them for not seeing things the same way you do.
I don’t think it actually works that way, and people simply boycotting future purchases seems like a more effective strategy at cutting off Tesla income since that is already working in Europe.
Boycots only work so far as people agree with you. This also includes boycots, but it forces the price down and used volume up so even people who disagree may buy used instead of giving money to Tesla.
So does writing a letter to someone to pass their swazticar on to someone else.
Yeah, it’s hoping they agree with you and trying to give them the extra push to ditch it. Obviously this won’t effect someone who supports Musk.
The point is, selling it drops the value. This is even better than a boycot only. A boycot has people who agree not buy. Dropping used value and increasing supply makes people who don’t agree not buy (from the company).
And if they disagree but understand the purpose then they can sell their car and use the money to buy a new one and the old one is still on the road so the letter backfires.
I get the idea behind the letter, just don’t think it will do what it is intended to do.
…no, it results in the seller no longer owning it. That is the only point.