@PizzaMan@MasterObee The idea of right & left politics is also a straw man. A very well maintained one that keeps everyone thinking ‘they’ will destroy us and only ‘we’ can save us. It is self perpetuating by pushing us further apart ideologically. It requires us to identify with one side or the other, eventually entrenching us so deep we cannot see any common ground without huge effort.
That’s not really how a strawman fallacy works, because a strawman is a kind of argument, and the tribalism you’re talking about is an action/concept. But I understand what you’re getting at.
@PizzaMan Fair enough, pizza man, you are correct. Gaslighting is more appropriate I guess. As far as solutions go we need to acknowledge our inherent biases and strive to see the world from beyond our own experiences. There can never be a shortage of empathy or humility in a person or culture. Individualism (almost by definition) does not make for a great society.
@PizzaMan Okay, okay… an individualistic solution for individualism… not great so: At all political levels; implement a maximum number of terms allowed to eliminate career politicians. And; Proportional representation which creates more minority governments (forcing people & parties to work together) and increase voter turnout (the health of a democracy is directly proportional to the percentage of citizens who vote)… more I’m sure, but this poop is only so long.
You can be care about more than 1 thing at a time
Guns are human rights
They don’t support human rights, thats why the left is boycotting them.
The right: We have a right to defend ourselves
The left: Naaaaaah, the government will surely protect you instead!
This is a strawman.
@PizzaMan @MasterObee The idea of right & left politics is also a straw man. A very well maintained one that keeps everyone thinking ‘they’ will destroy us and only ‘we’ can save us. It is self perpetuating by pushing us further apart ideologically. It requires us to identify with one side or the other, eventually entrenching us so deep we cannot see any common ground without huge effort.
That’s not really how a strawman fallacy works, because a strawman is a kind of argument, and the tribalism you’re talking about is an action/concept. But I understand what you’re getting at.
Do you have a solution in mind for the problem?
@PizzaMan Fair enough, pizza man, you are correct. Gaslighting is more appropriate I guess. As far as solutions go we need to acknowledge our inherent biases and strive to see the world from beyond our own experiences. There can never be a shortage of empathy or humility in a person or culture. Individualism (almost by definition) does not make for a great society.
I agree, however it seems that you have given a rather individualistic solution:
@PizzaMan Okay, okay… an individualistic solution for individualism… not great so: At all political levels; implement a maximum number of terms allowed to eliminate career politicians. And; Proportional representation which creates more minority governments (forcing people & parties to work together) and increase voter turnout (the health of a democracy is directly proportional to the percentage of citizens who vote)… more I’m sure, but this poop is only so long.
I can agree with that.
Do you mean to suggest we get rid of the electoral collage in favor of a popular vote? If so then I also agree.
How do you suggest we do this?
I respect the honestly lmao.
I have some ideas for the “more” part.
Lobbying (bribery) of any kind at any government level should be criminalized
Changing from the electoral collage to popular vote
RCV or approval voting to reduce the polarization/extremism of candidates and allow for 3rd parties to exist
Election spending reform - All candidates for a given position should equally share campaign money from a shared pool
Journalism reform - No journalism should be done for profit, and the penalty for lying (including lying by omission) to the public should be severe