Oh shut up, ecars cause less environmental damage than normal cars by far. Yes they require lithium. The lithium required doesn’t get close to the damage of 300k miles worth of gas.
“but power plants burn coal for that electricity”
Not mine. I live in portland and have signed up for 100% renewable power. That’s a your-city problem. You should work on that.
I’m commenting on your first sentence, not the bullet points.
Electric cars are better for the environment, no doubt about that, even if the electricity is produced by fossil fuel, because the production is done in a controlled environment instead of happening in thousands of cars, which can only utilise a fraction of the energy and outputs the exhaustion directly in the air.
I’m not saying EVs solve the car dependency problems at all, but they are better for the environment than combustion engine cars.
Not to mention that the only reason electric cars seem somewhat sustainable, is that at the moment only the most wealthy people (globally) can afford to own a car. Just imagine what it would look like if the global middle class also got access to cars, electric or otherwise.
Individually owned automobiles and the systems required to support them are wasteful and polluting no matter how you power them.
Electric cars are better, yes. But their popularity is in a large part because they allow us to mostly maintain the status quo.
Do you think they are a sustainable long-term solution? Should we be planning our future around paved roads made almost exclusively for personally owned mostly single-occupant vehicles?
Electric cars help pollution like filtered cigarettes help smoker health. It’s a tangible improvement, but on the grand scale of things it’s not a significant improvement.
Oh shut up, ecars cause less environmental damage than normal cars by far. Yes they require lithium. The lithium required doesn’t get close to the damage of 300k miles worth of gas.
“but power plants burn coal for that electricity”
Not mine. I live in portland and have signed up for 100% renewable power. That’s a your-city problem. You should work on that.
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I’m commenting on your first sentence, not the bullet points.
Electric cars are better for the environment, no doubt about that, even if the electricity is produced by fossil fuel, because the production is done in a controlled environment instead of happening in thousands of cars, which can only utilise a fraction of the energy and outputs the exhaustion directly in the air.
I’m not saying EVs solve the car dependency problems at all, but they are better for the environment than combustion engine cars.
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No, obviously not. I’ve never heard anyone seriously claim that electric cars alone could save the environment.
Transport as a whole only accounts for something like 20% of carbon emissions and only 40% of that is from cars, making it 8% total.
Not to mention that the only reason electric cars seem somewhat sustainable, is that at the moment only the most wealthy people (globally) can afford to own a car. Just imagine what it would look like if the global middle class also got access to cars, electric or otherwise.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths
US EPA isn’t trustworthy
Argue against the points not the name on it that you don’t like
The points against cars have already been made
A point was made above. You respond to the point. Not that you think the name on a link is full of boogeymen.
You’re literally in the fuck cars comm
I have no idea what you’re even trying to argue
I think you’re arguing points that weren’t made.
Individually owned automobiles and the systems required to support them are wasteful and polluting no matter how you power them.
Electric cars are better, yes. But their popularity is in a large part because they allow us to mostly maintain the status quo.
Do you think they are a sustainable long-term solution? Should we be planning our future around paved roads made almost exclusively for personally owned mostly single-occupant vehicles?
Still cars 🤷
Electric cars help pollution like filtered cigarettes help smoker health. It’s a tangible improvement, but on the grand scale of things it’s not a significant improvement.
You’re strawmanning here, nobody said electric cars aren’t better. They just aren’t the solution.