• diprount_tomato
    link
    -221 year ago

    Fuck socialism, but fuck US imperialism too (can’t keep markets free if you get invaded by the US when you refuse to eat their shit)

    • @dangblingus
      link
      141 year ago

      Tell me you don’t know the definition of political terms. There’s no such thing as free markets anywhere on Earth. Government regulation exists even in wartorn developing nations.

      • PugJesusOP
        link
        fedilink
        91 year ago

        In truth, markets cannot exist at all without government intervention.

        • diprount_tomato
          link
          31 year ago

          Never said otherwise. Markets do need some entity to back them, specially countries

      • diprount_tomato
        link
        21 year ago

        Setting up some rules to prevent corpos from taking more power than the state is not the same as a fucking command economy where all means of production are nationalised

    • PugJesusOP
      link
      fedilink
      41 year ago

      What’ve you got against socialism in general? It’s a very broad term.

      • diprount_tomato
        link
        21 year ago

        I definitely am not against unions and the defence of worker’s rights (Specially for the USA, you fuckers have like 19th century working conditions) but there are quite some things in Marxist theory that I disagree with

        Like, that part where it’s the amount of work done that adds value to goods. Like, I could literally pick up a diamond meteorite that just fell on my yard and it would be extremely valuable. Scarcity is definitely a bigger factor than work put into goods. There’s also this thing of having no real incentives to be more efficient, but that might be more command economy specific

        • PugJesusOP
          link
          fedilink
          31 year ago

          We could have a long conversation about this, but I think the easiest way would simply be to say that:

          1. Marxism is not the only form of socialism

          2. Command economy is very, VERY specific to the style of Marxism-Leninism that was exported by the Soviet Union. You might find interest in anarcho-syndicalism, mutualism, and market socialism. Not because I think you’ll necessarily agree with them, but because they posit very different ideas about how a socialist economy should work.

          • diprount_tomato
            link
            21 year ago

            Don’t assume I didn’t know about those ideas. And don’t assume either that I’d like them. I mentioned Marxism as Marx is considered to be the “father of scientific socialism”

            • PugJesusOP
              link
              fedilink
              11 year ago

              I didn’t say that you’d like them, I only brought them up because you included a specific criticism of command economies when asked for your issue with socialism.

              • @SCB
                link
                -11 year ago

                Dude any “ism” that begins with “anarcho-” is just waiting for a smart person to become a dictator.

                If you don’t realize that, it’s just proof you’re not the smart person who would take over, not that it wouldn’t happen

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          21 year ago

          Diamonds are literally one of the most artificially inflated gemstone values in existence. They’re also the most abundant. Just pointing that out for when you try to argue your point again.

          • diprount_tomato
            link
            11 year ago

            And yet it would have a high value despite it having gone through no worker’s hands.

            Yes, the economy is crazy in quite a lot of cases, yes, sometimes things are overvalued and that further proves Marx’s stance wrong

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              11 year ago

              Oh, yeah, I’m not disagreeing. I guess diamonds work for that, I’m just saying it’s not rare at all.

              • diprount_tomato
                link
                11 year ago

                Well, I specified that it fell from the sky, that definitely is a plus

                • @[email protected]
                  link
                  fedilink
                  01 year ago

                  True. Just for clarity, I think the Marxist socio-economic platform is absolute horseshit and doesn’t survive contact at all with the Information Age, because it necessitates an industrial/agrarian society.

        • Semi-Hemi-Demigod
          link
          fedilink
          1
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          That diamond would be worth a lot more if you put in the labor to cut and polish it. Almost like labor adds value to resources.

          Also: Who says you own what falls on the ground?

          • diprount_tomato
            link
            21 year ago

            I own it because I took it while nobody else claimed it

              • diprount_tomato
                link
                11 year ago

                Simple: as nobody else claimed it I just take it and leave it in my home

                  • diprount_tomato
                    link
                    11 year ago

                    That’s why the state must protect private property. In the case of the lawyers, if the claims are unfounded then I would get to keep it