• @cpo
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    21 year ago

    I categorically refuse to run anything Python at home. It’s a bitch to upgrade and most Python programmers are script kiddies at best…

    • @Zeth0s
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      1 year ago

      As a person using python professionally (ML/AI), this hits home…

      A third category of pain are Java and c# developers writing in python… Real pain…

      It is a pity, Python is actually a good language (with defects as any)

      • @cpo
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        1 year ago

        It is a language with a lot of history and glue in place to keep it “modern”. I do agree that it is possible to write good software in Python, but most of the open source stuff is total shite.

        Lets be honest: golang, C++ and rust are not THAT difficult to learn. About the JVM based languages: they should have moved away from the monolythical memory management long ago.

        Edit: AI/ML purposes excempted, as they are more script like approaches. I still wonder why Python has grown to be the grandchild of AI though.

        • @Zeth0s
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          31 year ago

          I started with fortran 77. C++ is very simple in comparison.

          That said, the reason we use python is the ML/AI ecosystem. We do create proper libraries, backend applications, proper type annotations, CI/CD, API, docker and kubernetes. Real software. But the heavy lifting job is done by libraries that have python as main interface.

          With python one can produce good code and products, but code reviews and guidelines are extremely important. Too many ways to do the same thing, too many styles, too many people that believe they can code, and too many people that simply don’t accept that python is not java or c#.

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            1 year ago

            Proper type annotations are possible in Python, but its more the excemption than the rule.

            What I encounter in Python world are dicts, dicts and more dicts.

            Edit: i’ve encountered some developers stepping up from Python to kotlin and Java and making a total mess of things. I agree that it is possible to write structured Python code but 80% of developers are never going to surpass the “scripting” level.