startrek.website is a partnership between /r/StarTrek and /r/DaystromInstitute from Reddit, they’ve both locked their subs over there for good. Follow @startrek for all your Trek needs. 🖖 :trek:
Great of the mods to unilaterally decide for tens of thousands of users to lock and make inaccessible years and years of conversation. I’m sorry your fefes are hurt, but this “we had to destroy the village to save it” is some third-grade tantrum throwing bullshit.
You’ve just discovered the main problem with centralized platforms like Reddit, Discord, Twitter. The only thing stopping the mods from making a complete archive of the old platform is the Big Tech owners of Reddit. These corporate interests own all your posts, memes, and DMs, forever.
With federated platforms, the community leadership can easily backup, archive, or transfer everything whenever they like. That’s the power of ownership.
Not only that, but copies of everything now exist on every single instance that’s federated with startrek.website, so its potentially recoverable should something catastrophic happen.
And that’s fine. The mods, or whomever, have every right to go off and form another community, and the participants have every right to follow. The mods DON’T have the right to make the decision for me, restrict the content that I posted to a site they do not own, or otherwise interfere with my right to enjoy the archival content that they did not create. Hopefully the Reddit ownership will force the afflicted communities open sooner rather than later and let us each decide individually, rather than be subject to the whims of some babies that think an entity doesn’t have the right to manage it’s own tech.
The mods DON’T have the right to make the decision for me, restrict the content that I posted to a site they do not own, or otherwise interfere with my right to enjoy the archival content that they did not create.
Just like, my opinion, man. But to be fair I should rephrase - in the context of moderation they clearly have the right to keep content to community standards, and that may involve those actions, but beyond that, they have no right to act as the “owners” of that content, which is self-evident, as one of the complaints is that Reddit owns the content.
That probably came across more snarky than intended. It actually felt softer than “Where’d ya read that?”
Here’s the thing: Nowhere is it stated that you have the right to view content you posted in perpetuity, to say nothing about things posted by others. And mods have free reign to do whatever they want despite community wishes even if they rarely exercise that right.
Essentially, this whole situation has exposed a lot of realities with regard to users’ rights on corporate platforms that you’re in fine company in being aghast at.
Gmail could get the ax tomorrow. Will it? No … but it’s folly to expect it to continue forever because tomorrow’s covered. The internet was the starting point of “you’ll own nothing and love it” with your data. This is one of the results of the Faustian bargain.
That’s cool, and I get your perspective. Here’s mine - I understand why some people are upset and no longer wish to support Reddit. The “right” thing to do, IMHO, would have been to start another community, explain why, and give people the option of migrating - pin it at the top or something. If you want to be more forceful, lock the sub so that no new info can be posted. As it is now, a small group of people unilaterally took action to “punish” Reddit and in doing so assumed control over my (the universal my - not my specifically, although I’m obviously included) content. That makes the mods no better than the corporation they’re trying to protest, they’re just using my content to different ends.
Bottom line - each individual should have had the choice to boycott or not boycott.
Maybe I don’t understand the mechanics of what has happened. Can you not access your own posts from the locked subs?
In any case this is unfortunately a consequence of reddit delegating moderation to the community : clearly the mods did have the “right” or at very least the “authority” to do what they did.
No offense but they do have the right, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean they don’t have the right. Just like reddit admins have the right to open all the closed subs if they want.
Ah yes, because moving to a platform free from profiteering owners, an objective improvement to the community, is clearly just because fefes were hurt…
There is also a currently active archive.org project trying to capture all of Reddit, and I would be extremely surprised if they weren’t also capturing both /r/DaystromInstitute and /r/StarTrek, at the bare minimum.
I would rather see a permanent freeze instead of private. Yes it helps Reddit slightly more than private subs, but there is years of discussion that could be kept while still making it obsolete and limiting reddit’s income/users from it.
Sorry - the downvotes have made me realize that “we had to destroy the village to save it” isn’t third-grade bullshit, it’s kindergarten bullshit. But please, play on, those, like, 5 of you who decided that it was your call to dump years of posts into oblivion because the platform that supported your conversation for years decided they’d had enough of freeloading.
How do you not understand that reddit is a symbiotic relationship between users / moderators - who generate and moderate ALL of the content for the site - and the reddit workers and admins who host it? Without one the other can’t exist. Reddit is 100% freeloading off of users’ content just as much as users & moderators are “freeloading” off of the ability to access the content through the API.
Reddit ownership (and you) have apparently chosen to either forget that, or ignore it.
Great of the mods to unilaterally decide for tens of thousands of users to lock and make inaccessible years and years of conversation. I’m sorry your fefes are hurt, but this “we had to destroy the village to save it” is some third-grade tantrum throwing bullshit.
You’ve just discovered the main problem with centralized platforms like Reddit, Discord, Twitter. The only thing stopping the mods from making a complete archive of the old platform is the Big Tech owners of Reddit. These corporate interests own all your posts, memes, and DMs, forever.
With federated platforms, the community leadership can easily backup, archive, or transfer everything whenever they like. That’s the power of ownership.
Not only that, but copies of everything now exist on every single instance that’s federated with startrek.website, so its potentially recoverable should something catastrophic happen.
And that’s fine. The mods, or whomever, have every right to go off and form another community, and the participants have every right to follow. The mods DON’T have the right to make the decision for me, restrict the content that I posted to a site they do not own, or otherwise interfere with my right to enjoy the archival content that they did not create. Hopefully the Reddit ownership will force the afflicted communities open sooner rather than later and let us each decide individually, rather than be subject to the whims of some babies that think an entity doesn’t have the right to manage it’s own tech.
Source?
Just like, my opinion, man. But to be fair I should rephrase - in the context of moderation they clearly have the right to keep content to community standards, and that may involve those actions, but beyond that, they have no right to act as the “owners” of that content, which is self-evident, as one of the complaints is that Reddit owns the content.
That probably came across more snarky than intended. It actually felt softer than “Where’d ya read that?”
Here’s the thing: Nowhere is it stated that you have the right to view content you posted in perpetuity, to say nothing about things posted by others. And mods have free reign to do whatever they want despite community wishes even if they rarely exercise that right.
Essentially, this whole situation has exposed a lot of realities with regard to users’ rights on corporate platforms that you’re in fine company in being aghast at.
Gmail could get the ax tomorrow. Will it? No … but it’s folly to expect it to continue forever because tomorrow’s covered. The internet was the starting point of “you’ll own nothing and love it” with your data. This is one of the results of the Faustian bargain.
That’s cool, and I get your perspective. Here’s mine - I understand why some people are upset and no longer wish to support Reddit. The “right” thing to do, IMHO, would have been to start another community, explain why, and give people the option of migrating - pin it at the top or something. If you want to be more forceful, lock the sub so that no new info can be posted. As it is now, a small group of people unilaterally took action to “punish” Reddit and in doing so assumed control over my (the universal my - not my specifically, although I’m obviously included) content. That makes the mods no better than the corporation they’re trying to protest, they’re just using my content to different ends.
Bottom line - each individual should have had the choice to boycott or not boycott.
@refugee @Powderhorn
Maybe I don’t understand the mechanics of what has happened. Can you not access your own posts from the locked subs?
In any case this is unfortunately a consequence of reddit delegating moderation to the community : clearly the mods did have the “right” or at very least the “authority” to do what they did.
I don’t think you can but even if you could, they would lose context unless you were quoting the entire thread in all your responses.
No offense but they do have the right, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean they don’t have the right. Just like reddit admins have the right to open all the closed subs if they want.
Ah yes, because moving to a platform free from profiteering owners, an objective improvement to the community, is clearly just because fefes were hurt…
I mean, I’m not the one running around and breaking things, but ok.
@refugee
First time moving website?
@refugee @Stoat between google and the wayback machine, lots of reddit is still available, just not on reddit
There is also a currently active archive.org project trying to capture all of Reddit, and I would be extremely surprised if they weren’t also capturing both /r/DaystromInstitute and /r/StarTrek, at the bare minimum.
@lucas I rescued one post that I oddly cared about, because people kept finding it on Google and necroing it.
@startrek @Stoat @refugee
I would rather see a permanent freeze instead of private. Yes it helps Reddit slightly more than private subs, but there is years of discussion that could be kept while still making it obsolete and limiting reddit’s income/users from it.
I prefer they stay private for now to direct users, and then once July 1 happens, they can re-open as restricted for a limited time.
Sorry - the downvotes have made me realize that “we had to destroy the village to save it” isn’t third-grade bullshit, it’s kindergarten bullshit. But please, play on, those, like, 5 of you who decided that it was your call to dump years of posts into oblivion because the platform that supported your conversation for years decided they’d had enough of freeloading.
How do you not understand that reddit is a symbiotic relationship between users / moderators - who generate and moderate ALL of the content for the site - and the reddit workers and admins who host it? Without one the other can’t exist. Reddit is 100% freeloading off of users’ content just as much as users & moderators are “freeloading” off of the ability to access the content through the API.
Reddit ownership (and you) have apparently chosen to either forget that, or ignore it.
Lmao, you suck dude.