White is not the only high-level cyclist to die in Colorado in recent years. In 2020, Clif Pro Team racer Ben Sonntag was killed by a driver while on a training ride outside Durango. That driver was sentenced to serve jail time in late 2021. In 2021, U.S. masters champion Gwen Inglis was killed by a driver outside Lakewood, Colorado.

  • @Coreidan
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    There’s really no argument to be made in favor or drivers. If they are killing people, THEY are doing something wrong.

    So then stay away from them. If you don’t have a solution to fix it that’s fine, but refusing to see the risk in continuing your behavior is just wrong. It’s clear you’re entire argument is around “cars are bad”. And my entire argument is “No shit, stay away from cars if you want to be safe, otherwise accept the detrimental risks of getting hit by a car”. It’s really that simple.

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      21 year ago

      So then stay away from them.

      Name me a few places with no cars that also have no cars around to get to those places.

      Then let me know which one of those places are schools, stores, hospitals, community centers, convenience stores, veterinarians, work places, residential housing, or really anywhere where people of all ages are typically expected to be.

      And my entire argument is “No shit, stay away from cars if you want to be safe, otherwise accept the detrimental risks of getting hit by a car”. It’s really that simple.

      I guess I won’t put my recycling out to the curb this week. Too dangerous!

      • @Coreidan
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        Name me a few places with no cars that also have no cars around to get to those places.

        Not sure what point you’re trying to make here. If you want to exercise you can avoid riding your bike along a busy road. I guess that’s just way too hard for you to understand.

        I guess I won’t put my recycling out to the curb this week. Too dangerous!

        Apply that same logic to riding your bicycle along busy roads and your chances of death go down significantly. It’s basic math.

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          Not sure what point you’re trying to make here.

          You’re suggesting that if people want to be safe, they should avoid cars.

          I’m asking you to tell me which places are car free and have no cars on the way to get there.

          You can’t “avoid cars” is what I’m saying, so your advice makes no sense.

          The expectation that we all have is that car drivers know what they are doing.

          • @Coreidan
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            -21 year ago

            Do you even know what you’re arguing about?

            I’ll restart this thread where it started. It’s poor judgement to ride your bike along roads where cars are driving by.

            Keep digging you’re never going to manage to figure out how to twist things into you being right.

            • @[email protected]OP
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              I’ll restart this thread where it started. It’s poor judgement to ride your bike along roads where cars are driving by.

              I’ll restate the obvious: there are no public places where cars aren’t.

              You claim “poor judgment” while ignoring that even driving a car is more dangerous than cycling. I guess everyone, in your world, is stupid for doing dangerous things, even if that means simply standing on grass that happens to be close enough for a car to plow them over.

              I’m not trying to twist anything. There is no conspiracy here. Plain as day, you are blaming victims when you should be blaming careless driving.

              In Toronto, we have WALLS protecting bike lanes, and drivers STILL manage to drive over them.. In Vancouver (and Toronto), protected, separated bike paths are invaded by cars, causing injury to cyclists.

              Are you still going to argue that it’s the cyclist’s fault for any of this?

              • @Coreidan
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                -21 year ago

                I’m not trying to twist anything. There is no conspiracy here. Plain as day, you are blaming victims when you should be blaming careless driving.

                I can blame both, because both parties made a decision to do something dangerous. Be accountable for your actions. Clearly you don’t want to be. Sounds familiar.

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                  I can blame both, because both parties made a decision to do something dangerous.

                  Nonsense. Cycling isn’t dangerous, including cycling on the road, unless it’s a poorly maintained road.

                  People who don’t know how to drive their motor vehicle are dangerous, and consistently so. The only difference is that their inability to drive kills tens of thousands of people a year, including themselves and their family.

                  And there’s no way to predict whether someone in a car is going to cross a lane, drive off a road, maybe crash into the front of your home, or through a bus stop, or drive through a barber shop.

                  By sheer matter of fact, ANYWHERE you find drivers, you have danger.

                  The question is, why blame the victims of these drivers? You want so badly to shift the blame onto anyone but the person actually responsible for causing an accident.

                  Be accountable for your actions. Clearly you don’t want to be.

                  I go above and beyond my duty as a driver, cyclist, and pedestrian. Having this perspective gives me every right to criticize drivers, because drivers are the problem most of the time. And when cyclists are at fault for causing an accident, I blame them, too.

                  • @Coreidan
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                    -11 year ago

                    Nonsense. Cycling isn’t dangerous, including cycling on the road, unless it’s a poorly maintained road.

                    Hey can you link a couple more articles about people getting hit while on bikes? I think it really helps drive your point forward about how safe cycling on a road is. You keep talking about how safe cycling on roads is while simultaneously ignoring that it’s the cars on the road that makes cycling on roads unsafe. You keep talking about how unsafe cars are, about how reckless and unsafe the drivers are, while also claiming that cycling near vehicles is perfectly safe.

                    The cognitive dissonance is strong with you.