White is not the only high-level cyclist to die in Colorado in recent years. In 2020, Clif Pro Team racer Ben Sonntag was killed by a driver while on a training ride outside Durango. That driver was sentenced to serve jail time in late 2021. In 2021, U.S. masters champion Gwen Inglis was killed by a driver outside Lakewood, Colorado.

  • @[email protected]OP
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    Key word is WHEN. Often times they aren’t. That’s like saying things are safe until they aren’t. Accidents happen because people do dumb things. You seem to have a lot of trouble accepting this

    Now we’re getting somewhere! Up until this point, you’ve assigned those “dumb things” to the people not driving cars. But they aren’t “accidents” when a driver is speeding, making dangerous passes, or not paying attention. That’s negligence causing bodily harm and/or homicide. Real crimes with real consequences.

    Getting hit by a motorist doing dumb things isn’t a crime, it’s a result of a crime. That person is the victim.

    You haven’t acknowledged this. You’ve only assigned blame to the victim.

    You have to consider the times when they aren’t driving like you expect. Again, you can’t decipher between expectations and reality. You’re basing the safety of cycling on expectations, not reality.

    We expect planes to not fall out of the sky, yet nobody blames someone for getting hit by a falling plane.

    Cycling is safer than driving. This is reality. The times when it is not safe (but still SAFER than driving) it’s very often because of people in cars. That’s a fact. You can choose to use a more dangerous form of transportation, like a car, but don’t act like cycling is the more dangerous of the two options.

    Go ride around your bike all you want. Just accept the fact that it’s dangerous to do so around moving cars, and that you’re taking a risk that you could otherwise avoid by simply NOT cycling around cars.

    Seriously, as I’ve already illustrated quite a few times already, it’s not about “cycling around cars”, but simply being around cars that puts EVERYONE at risk. Standing, walking, watching TV in your home, getting a hair cut, waiting for a bus… every action near cars has the potential to be dangerous because of the cars, not the action!

    Your solution punishes victims, rather than address the cause.

    This thread had run its course. Good luck with everything.

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      11 year ago

      The only point you’ve made through all of your rambling is that you lack the ability to assess risk. Comparing airplanes falling out of the sky to getting hit by a car while on a road just shows your lack of ability.

      There is definitely one thing you’re right about, which is that continuing this conversation is a complete waste of time. You’ll forever be the person who is too blind to see what is in front of them.

      Your solution punishes victims, rather than address the cause.

      No, my solution avoids getting hit by cars. You’re just too blind to see it.

      it’s not about “cycling around cars”, but simply being around cars that puts EVERYONE at risk.

      So then use better judgement and stop doing things near cars. Cycling would be an obvious one. Building sand castles next to a road is also a bad idea. You’re the type that would build sand castles next to roads.