One of their big ideas involves “gender dysphoria”. They believe that gender dysphoria arises due to the sex of the brain differing from the sex of the body, and thus dysphoria results. However, transsexuals like myself prove this to be untrue; as we do not experience “gender dysphoria” (or any other transvestism symptom) at any point.
As a cis dude I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but that’s not great reasoning. Gender dysphoria could very well be a thing that many people experience, just not you or other (many? most?) transvestites.
I’m not going around saying “I’m not gay therefore gay people must not exist”, it’s absurd. I’m not gay, most people are not gay, but homosexuality is absolutely a thing that exists.
Right. Gender Dysphoria is a real, medically recognized, issue that many people suffer from. I don’t deny that at all. Rather, the issue comes from the transgender movement’s claims about what causes gender dysphoria (how it arises in a person).
Transsexuals do not experience gender dysphoria. We just don’t. That isn’t saying it doesn’t exist. It’s not saying it’s not a real thing people suffer from. It’s not saying that it shouldn’t be treated. Only that, for transsexuals, we do not experience that symptom or issue.
So to then declare that gender dysphoria is caused by a brain/sex conflict, is to essentially deny that transsexuals, who have medically transitioned, exist. Because we transitioned and do not experience dysphoria either before or after medical treatment.
It’s a bit like someone going around saying “I chose to be gay, therefore being gay is a choice and has no underlying feelings/urges/etc about it”. Like maybe your situation yes you chose something, but that is unrelated to what people usually mean when they speak of homosexuality.
Hopefully that makes sense. So in my speech I make sure to clarify that gender dysphoria is a symptom of what is medically known as transvestism conditions (dual role transvestism often called genderfluid, autogynephili, and gender identity disorder). These are real medical conditions and actually have gender dysphoria as a symptom.
Transsexualism is also a medical condition, but this medical condition does not have gender dysphoria as a symptom. So if you have gender dysphoria, you don’t have transsexualism, but instead some other condition.
To clarify between these medical conditions isn’t hate speech. it’s not denying someone exists. It’s not saying they shouldn’t get the help they need. It’s not saying they shouldn’t be supported. It’s simply saying that their situation is different from the situation that I have (called transsexualism), and that we should clarify that they are different.
I think I understand what you’re saying. I’m not very deeply knowledgeable about the topic. But by giving all the attention to gender dysphoria and having transgender people suck all the oxygen out of the room, actions meant to help transgender people can (unintentionally or perhaps intentionally) harm transsexuals? And you’re particularly angry at the modern LGBTQ+++ movement for supporting and even embracing the words and actions that harm transsexuals? Am I understanding your viewpoint?
As a cis dude I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but that’s not great reasoning. Gender dysphoria could very well be a thing that many people experience, just not you or other (many? most?) transvestites.
I’m not going around saying “I’m not gay therefore gay people must not exist”, it’s absurd. I’m not gay, most people are not gay, but homosexuality is absolutely a thing that exists.
Right. Gender Dysphoria is a real, medically recognized, issue that many people suffer from. I don’t deny that at all. Rather, the issue comes from the transgender movement’s claims about what causes gender dysphoria (how it arises in a person).
Transsexuals do not experience gender dysphoria. We just don’t. That isn’t saying it doesn’t exist. It’s not saying it’s not a real thing people suffer from. It’s not saying that it shouldn’t be treated. Only that, for transsexuals, we do not experience that symptom or issue.
So to then declare that gender dysphoria is caused by a brain/sex conflict, is to essentially deny that transsexuals, who have medically transitioned, exist. Because we transitioned and do not experience dysphoria either before or after medical treatment.
It’s a bit like someone going around saying “I chose to be gay, therefore being gay is a choice and has no underlying feelings/urges/etc about it”. Like maybe your situation yes you chose something, but that is unrelated to what people usually mean when they speak of homosexuality.
Hopefully that makes sense. So in my speech I make sure to clarify that gender dysphoria is a symptom of what is medically known as transvestism conditions (dual role transvestism often called genderfluid, autogynephili, and gender identity disorder). These are real medical conditions and actually have gender dysphoria as a symptom.
Transsexualism is also a medical condition, but this medical condition does not have gender dysphoria as a symptom. So if you have gender dysphoria, you don’t have transsexualism, but instead some other condition.
To clarify between these medical conditions isn’t hate speech. it’s not denying someone exists. It’s not saying they shouldn’t get the help they need. It’s not saying they shouldn’t be supported. It’s simply saying that their situation is different from the situation that I have (called transsexualism), and that we should clarify that they are different.
I think I understand what you’re saying. I’m not very deeply knowledgeable about the topic. But by giving all the attention to gender dysphoria and having transgender people suck all the oxygen out of the room, actions meant to help transgender people can (unintentionally or perhaps intentionally) harm transsexuals? And you’re particularly angry at the modern LGBTQ+++ movement for supporting and even embracing the words and actions that harm transsexuals? Am I understanding your viewpoint?