• 🍉 Albert 🍉
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    3 hours ago

    Still their fault the moment they decided to become the abusers and inflict more horrors on the world. that is a choice they made.

    But yhea, healthcare and education should be universal and not tied to being a mercenary for the empire

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      How people are socialized (brainwashed) from birth is a thing. I didn’t do it, and I taught my kid not to do it, and that’s hard in a society that has kids pledge allegiance to a flag from preschool onward. I was heavily pressured by my whole family but one grandparent who shared with me the horrors of shell shocked brothers returning after mandatory conscription. I also read a lot, still mostly propaganda. I consider myself fortunate. Not everyone has the mental fortitude to withstand the pressure and accusations of not being patriotic. Do I think they bear personal responsibility? Yes; and the blame goes back to the very foundation of the United States.

      https://storychanges.com/what-is-the-child-development-hypothesis-of-ivan-pavlov.html

      • 🍉 Albert 🍉
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        2 hours ago

        Yhea, but my rule of thumb, the moment someone chooses to stop being a victim of those cycles and becomes the cause of that cycle all empathy and and understanding get flushed away. and instead I rather focus on their victims.

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          My larger point is, without addressing the cause, victims will perpetuate.

          For example, toe gets gangrene, amputate the toe without addressing the blood clot in the leg, or fasting blood sugar level of 200.

          • 🍉 Albert 🍉
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            2 hours ago

            We do need that systemic change, were undoubtedly in agreement in that bigger point. Healthcare and education shouldn’t only be free for state mercenaries, but for all. same with ending the propaganda campaigns.

            just want to make sure we also agree on that smaller point. that a 18 year old signing up to the military and getting PTSD from their own war crimes is bullshit. and they deserve punishment for their crimes rather than sympathy for their guilt