• czech
    4•1 year ago

    That’s a hilarious turn; my statement was meant to be rhetorical. But you really have never argued with fascists!

    And I never said YOU were fascist… but I guess that doesn’t fit with your canned response then, huh?

    • 10A
      3•1 year ago

      Fascists haven’t existed since 25 Luglio in 1943. You can find a tiny number of exceptions over the years, but as a broad statement it’s true. I’m not old enough to have argued with fascists, and I bet you’re not either.

      • czech
        8•1 year ago

        Fascism:

        a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

        Yea wow, we’ve never seen that in the last 7 years!

        I can see I really triggered you with that word. It’s hilarious that you self-identified with it and got defensive.

        • 10A
          5•1 year ago

          It certainly does sound like typical leftists if you squint. Everyone in this thread opposing free speech is an authoritarian. But if you actually read that definition word for word, it’s a position almost nobody supports. What’s more, the definition has been changed from the original political affiliation. I’m not surprised Miriam-Webster’s open to redefining words, but try as they might, words still mean what they originally meant. Still, their definition is close enough to the original to demonstrate my point that there are no fascists left, unless you squint and look at modern leftists.

          • czech
            5•1 year ago

            Ah, right- There are no fascists but if there are it’s the leftists! Thanks for a good laugh today. Don’t ever let facts get in your way, bud.

            • 10A
              5•1 year ago

              Hmm, let’s break it down:

              a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti)

              Could be leftists, conservatives, or any other political group.

              that exalts nation and often race above the individual

              Well that excludes conservatives, because conservatism celebrates rugged individualism.

              Leftism, by contrast, embraces groups above individualism. This is what conservatives usually refer to as neo-Marxism. It’s also known as identity politics. It’s this idea that we’re all members of a group, and that group gives us our identity. Then with intersectionality, you have multiple groups defining identity.

              Two caveats:

              1. Christians are the exception to the rule, where many conservatives do embrace an identity that can be defined as a group.
              2. Leftists do exalt groups above the individual, but those groups are not normally the nation (at least not in the US).

              and that stands for a centralized autocratic government

              Yes, in general, conservatives support small government, while leftists prefer government regulations over private business, government handouts for the poor, government taxation of the wealthy, and government control of every little thing in life — basically big government.

              Centralized? In the US, centralized means federal control whereas decentralized means State and local control. Leftists generally prefer the former, whereas conservatives generally prefer the latter.

              headed by a dictatorial leader

              Not applicable in the US, but I wouldn’t put it past the Left in the near future.

              severe economic and social regimentation,

              Yep, see this thread for instance. Leftist love regimented control over what we’re allowed to think, and they love silencing the opposition.

              and forcible suppression of opposition

              Oh, you mean like when Biden has his primary opponent, Trump, tied up in court with accusations and a threat of imprisonment? Or, you mean like this very thread where leftists are trying to silence the TERFs? Yes, leftists absolutely love the forcible suppression of their opposition.

              In conclusion, no, it’s not a perfect fit for leftists, but it’s loosely close — and it certainly doesn’t fit conservatives even slightly.

              • czech
                4•1 year ago

                Great theory, but lets take a look at reality.

                that exalts nation and often race above the individual

                Have you heard of MAGA?

                and that stands for a centralized autocratic government

                While Trump announced he “plans to eliminate executive branch constraints on his power if he is elected president in 2024”

                headed by a dictatorial leader

                See the last point…

                and forcible suppression of opposition

                Like Jan 6th.

                You can’t just make up whatever you want when you’re not in /r/conservative. You are constrained by reality. Nobody is here to delete my posts and ban me for you.

                • 10A
                  4•1 year ago

                  Yes, well the MAGA crowd isn’t very conservative if you ask me, and personally I support DeSantis. I think Democrats are strongly pushing for a Trump nomination because they know he’s unelectable, and it’s an easy play.

                  But to your point, I concede that most people do consider MAGA to be right wing, and that Trump has on several occasions said things suggesting he’d like an autocracy. I think we can agree that’d be undesirable. I just don’t think it’s very conservative.

                  Like Jan 6th.

                  All that was, was a group of jaded voters who believed (rightly or wrongly) that there was election fraud. Personally I see no evidence of fraud substantial enough to change the election. But at the same time, I recognize that for someone who truly did believe there was election fraud, they were upset and they wanted to protest about it. That’s all it was — a protest that was legitimate based on what they believed.

                  You are constrained by reality. Nobody is here to delete my posts and ban me for you.

                  And I’m glad about that, 100%. I wouldn’t want you banned.

                  But back to the definition, you can’t just pluck a couple of words out of there and say it’s a match. The whole definition fits the left way better than the right, and yet in truth doesn’t fit either completely.

                  • czech
                    0•1 year ago

                    But back to the definition, you can’t just pluck a couple of words out of there and say it’s a match.

                    That’s what you did. So I responded with actual examples, using the conservative front runner- and you replied with “no true Scotsman”.

                    That makes absolutely no sense.

                    Or, you mean like this very thread where leftists are trying to silence the TERFs? Yes, leftists absolutely love the forcible suppression of their opposition.

                    Oh wow did somebody place you under arrest for posting your opinions online?? Or does this have absolutely nothing to do with free speech, again?