It’s not my take on it, it actually happened in Germany where both Muslims and Jews cried out that depriving them of their right to snip baby dicks is nazi persecution
It’s also happened in a few places in the US. Cities or states tried to outlaw the practice and religious communities screeched about not being allowed to carve up babies’ bodies.
Bottom surgery should only be illegal if it’s done nonconsensually. Adults should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t pose a significant risk to their health.
Tattoos do not pose a significant risk to your health. Yes, there is a risk, there’s also a risk from riding a bike or going swimming. If it would put a person at significant risk for major health issues it should not be legal.
Damn I should tell my surgeon he mutilated me. And my other surgeon, who took out my tonsils, also mutilated me. My dental surgeon, the wisdom teeth removal - believe it or not, also mutilation. Don’t even get me started on my dad’s heart surgeon, that butcher.
The big difference is the consent; bottom surgery is done with the consent of the patient and circumsicions are typically done to babies who have no say in the matter. Heck, if someone wants to get circumsized later in life, they absolutely should be able to. Don’t get the whole thing about ‘mutilation’, adults should be able to do whatever they want to their bodies.
Bottom surgery is literally, definitionally, not mutilation when it’s done for a consenting adult.
If you want to call bottom surgery mutilation by your own definition, then literally every surgery is mutilation. But like, cutting out my defective heart and installing a working one, while technically “mutilating” me, is objectively a good for my health.
You can call surgery mutilation if you want, but it isn’t helpful to anyone and it only serves to make transphobes feel good about themselves.
So someone getting bottom surgery after their penis was irreparably damaged in an accident is being mutilated? Or someone treating a medical issue so they stop passing out from their Cramps? Wow, I’m glad my doc mutilated me out of pain. 🤦
You’re saying that bottom surgery is genital mutilation. They’re giving examples of situations where even a transphobes should agree that bottom surgery is good. If it is mutilation in those examples, then you agree with what they said. If it isn’t mutilation in those examples, then it isn’t mutilation in the first place.
We should take this a step further though. Any kind of genital mutilation should be illegal, including bottom surgery.
You said bottom surgery was mutilation and should be illegal. Those are both bottom surgeries, therefore by your own statement you think they should be illegal. I don’t have to make shit up when you already did that for me.
What are you talking about? They’re saying that bottom surgery has legitimate medical applications, which it does. I don’t know whether to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you just replied without reading the comment, or give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re smart enough to read and are actually calling people who get bottom surgery pedophiles.
Either way, this whole comment section is really making me second guess my commitment to quit reddit, if this is the caliber of discussion we have here.
@[email protected] made the incredibly transphobic and apparently popular argument that all bottom surgery is genital mutilation.
@[email protected] replied to them, saying that they dont consider the bottom surgery they recieved to be genital mutilation.
@[email protected] made the incredibly offensive comment that yes, actually, such_lettuce7970 was mutilated.
@[email protected] replied saying that sometimes bottom surgery is medically necessary, implying that when it is medically necessary, it’s wrong to consider it mutilation.
Then you called him a fucktard for some unfathomable reason.
@[email protected] said that you read their comment wrong, because you still assume they’re talking about infant circumcision.
Thank you, yeesh. This is possibly the dumbest comment section I’ve ever seen on here. And yes, Eleazar is a transphobe, who quite ironically was arguing a week ago that homophobia, in Florida, amongst christians like themself, is rare and unpopular. Even if I bought that (I don’t and it feels like a classic “as a gay man” moment), it always makes my head shake when people are seemingly offended at being accused of homophobia, then turn around and go “oh, but those transes though, yeah fuck them”.
No it isn’t. A lot of people are victims of disinformation and “willingly” agree to a circumcision later in life as an easy solution to something like phimosis only to discover how much harm it does.
Damn. I’m not even an atheist and I agree with OP. Your take is just antisemitic.
We should take this a step further though. Any kind of genital mutilation should be illegal, including bottom surgery.
It’s not my take on it, it actually happened in Germany where both Muslims and Jews cried out that depriving them of their right to snip baby dicks is nazi persecution
It’s also happened in a few places in the US. Cities or states tried to outlaw the practice and religious communities screeched about not being allowed to carve up babies’ bodies.
You mean illegal without consent right?
Why does any kind of bottom surgery have to be illegal? Why not just limit it to consenting people above the age of majority?
Grouping bottom surgery with genital mutilation makes you sound like an alt-right troll, and it bugs me that this is well received on this website.
Edit: “I’m not even an atheist” means absolutely nothing. You’re just teaming up with an atheist in an online argument to bash Jews.
Bottom surgery should only be illegal if it’s done nonconsensually. Adults should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t pose a significant risk to their health.
Fixed that for you. Don’t give conservatives ammo to legislate my right to tattoos away.
Tattoos do not pose a significant risk to your health. Yes, there is a risk, there’s also a risk from riding a bike or going swimming. If it would put a person at significant risk for major health issues it should not be legal.
The problem is giving conservatives the opportunity to define “significant risk”
Damn I should tell my surgeon he mutilated me. And my other surgeon, who took out my tonsils, also mutilated me. My dental surgeon, the wisdom teeth removal - believe it or not, also mutilation. Don’t even get me started on my dad’s heart surgeon, that butcher.
Moron.
I’m sorry but yes, you should consider bottom surgery mutilation. There’s a difference between the other things but I’m sure you’re missing it.
The big difference is the consent; bottom surgery is done with the consent of the patient and circumsicions are typically done to babies who have no say in the matter. Heck, if someone wants to get circumsized later in life, they absolutely should be able to. Don’t get the whole thing about ‘mutilation’, adults should be able to do whatever they want to their bodies.
Bottom surgery is literally, definitionally, not mutilation when it’s done for a consenting adult.
If you want to call bottom surgery mutilation by your own definition, then literally every surgery is mutilation. But like, cutting out my defective heart and installing a working one, while technically “mutilating” me, is objectively a good for my health.
You can call surgery mutilation if you want, but it isn’t helpful to anyone and it only serves to make transphobes feel good about themselves.
So someone getting bottom surgery after their penis was irreparably damaged in an accident is being mutilated? Or someone treating a medical issue so they stop passing out from their Cramps? Wow, I’m glad my doc mutilated me out of pain. 🤦
Do you always try to start arguments by making shit up about what the other person said? Yes? Ok then, you do you I guess.
You’re saying that bottom surgery is genital mutilation. They’re giving examples of situations where even a transphobes should agree that bottom surgery is good. If it is mutilation in those examples, then you agree with what they said. If it isn’t mutilation in those examples, then it isn’t mutilation in the first place.
You said bottom surgery was mutilation and should be illegal. Those are both bottom surgeries, therefore by your own statement you think they should be illegal. I don’t have to make shit up when you already did that for me.
IT can be done for medical reasons, you know that?
So can removing an arm. Doesn’t mean we should remove all arms at birth, you fucktard.
Calling people fucktards isn’t helpful, it only makes you less convincing
What would you prefer I call them? Sadists? Barbarians? Pedophile-adjacents? Misandrist pigs? Savages?
What are you talking about? They’re saying that bottom surgery has legitimate medical applications, which it does. I don’t know whether to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you just replied without reading the comment, or give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re smart enough to read and are actually calling people who get bottom surgery pedophiles.
Either way, this whole comment section is really making me second guess my commitment to quit reddit, if this is the caliber of discussion we have here.
It seems that was that Eleazar changed the subject so abruptly that I assumed that they meant something different than what they actually said.
Trans rights~
They aren’t arguing for baby circumcision, no idea why you thought they were.
They’re trying to say it isn’t mutilation by saying that it is occasionally necessary medically.
Lemme help you out here buddy
@[email protected] made the incredibly transphobic and apparently popular argument that all bottom surgery is genital mutilation.
@[email protected] replied to them, saying that they dont consider the bottom surgery they recieved to be genital mutilation.
@[email protected] made the incredibly offensive comment that yes, actually, such_lettuce7970 was mutilated.
@[email protected] replied saying that sometimes bottom surgery is medically necessary, implying that when it is medically necessary, it’s wrong to consider it mutilation.
Then you called him a fucktard for some unfathomable reason.
@[email protected] said that you read their comment wrong, because you still assume they’re talking about infant circumcision.
Did this help?
Thank you, yeesh. This is possibly the dumbest comment section I’ve ever seen on here. And yes, Eleazar is a transphobe, who quite ironically was arguing a week ago that homophobia, in Florida, amongst christians like themself, is rare and unpopular. Even if I bought that (I don’t and it feels like a classic “as a gay man” moment), it always makes my head shake when people are seemingly offended at being accused of homophobia, then turn around and go “oh, but those transes though, yeah fuck them”.
Paging @[email protected] for clarification. Trans surgery, or just circumcision?
Circumcision isn’t mutilation. That’s a fact. Infant circumcision to appease a sky fairy or to fit in with your neighbours? Yeah that’s mutilation.
No it isn’t. A lot of people are victims of disinformation and “willingly” agree to a circumcision later in life as an easy solution to something like phimosis only to discover how much harm it does.
Sounds like you don’t understand the concept of consent.
I’m going to assume you meant to reply to Eleazar.
I missed the sarcasm.
It should be noted that some adults decide to receive bottom surgery and that’s respectable. It’s clear some people here don’t get the nuance.