I don’t disagree with the 30% being too much. That said, Steam often provides more than just a sales pages for the fee, they always provide server access for multiplayer and cloud saving. That has to get covered somehow. I also believe in celebrating the good things going and there really aren’t many of those in the gaming market these days, certainly not in the AAA-money tier. I’m going to enjoy the wins we get. If you don’t want to do that, enjoy being miserable, I guess.
More entrenching of their services as a monopoly.
Without a doubt the cost of a sales page and servers would be less than 30% of a lot of games sales. It’s a cost they are willing to pay if it means keeping their walled garden and 30% flat rate. (Like Sony selling consoles at a loss)
Any open source Linux contributions from steam (proton) are welcome because it’s not tied into their monopoly and people can use them freely.
You can enjoy the small victories while also being aware of future outcomes from these corporate giants.
Funny thing about 30% is that lowering it would probably kill off competition completely so that if that is one of the few selling points of alternatives it evaporates. Sort of like how it is hard to compete with the economies of scale of AWS.
GOG for example is 30%. If Valve were to lower it might make it even tougher to convince publishers to release there, and GOG even with the 30% had a period where they struggled to generate a profit.
And Epic games has been unprofitable with their 12% rate, so if they lose even that selling point then it’ll continue to be an unprofitable venture if there’s less of a reason to release there and hurt their hopes of being able to grow their market share enough to be profitable some day.
They just sold games on the Windows platform to PC gamers. A platform called dead by companies like Epic for years. Windows never bothering to even consider pc gaming and fixating on consoles.
Not like anything unusual happened other than every other company thinking consoles were the future. Same things happening with Linux. All the other companies thinking Linux isn’t worth the effort and its all about Windows.
lol and that excuses their monopoly and blatant anti competition tactics?
They made their own monopoly where they saw the opportunity. Doesn’t mean we can’t do better and shouldn’t fight billionaires entrenching themselves into aspect of life.
If Microsoft had been smarter they would have leveraged their OS monopoly to position themselves to become the game launcher monopoly on the most used OS in the world, and been the go to place for every publisher. Would have made it easier to push UWP and added in additional DRM to make it more difficult to make Linux gaming a possibility with the game launcher being one run by Microsoft and made it more baked in to be reliant on the OS like Microsoft Store.
And even if game compatibility was worked out for Linux made it so people would need a Microsoft account if they wanted to play most PC games. That’s what Microsoft lost out on letting a non Microsoft company gain success with a third party launcher that is now leveraging their success to push a non Microsoft OS to the mainstream.
And about anti competition. All you’ve said is something about cuts and I pointed out that it would actually hurt competition, so you want them to make cuts so other launchers lose one of their selling points while making those that need a higher cut like GOG harder to stay alive as a business? I think you should get mad at other corporations for not also getting into the PC gaming market sooner.
You can complain about them making a lot of money, but other than that you haven’t really been clear beyond the generic they make a lot of money and are a monopoly euphemisms.
Yeah M$ fucked up their chances at the steam monopoly. Still doesn’t mean we need it to be a monopoly at all. Going from one billionaire conglomerate to another owning the monopoly, still leaves you with a monopoly. Neither option is good, you are still stuck in a monopoly that will enshittify.
It wouldn’t have been just a Steam monopoly. It would have been PC gaming gated behind Microsoft, and with Microsoft having zero incentive and total control with it being heavily integrated into their OS with no need for openness. A consolified PC gaming space would be what they would have loved. Not just to make piracy more difficult, but to get the trust of publishers who had all gone towards consoles because of the perceived benefits of a closed ecosystem.
Yes so now there is the operating system monopoly by the two giants and the gaming monopoly on pc with steam and the consoles being locked down ecosystems run by two corporations. None of that is good competition or a positive for creators or players.
It’s still a fucking monopoly we are stuck in and steam like every damn oligarch tech company needs to be chopped up.
And yet he still charges 30% to list on steam…
He could move it all to a non profit like blender and charge creators a reasonable price if he cared about the industry or players.
He’s just as profit minded as any billionaire. He’s just using Linux contributions to solidify their monopoly on pc gaming.
I don’t disagree with the 30% being too much. That said, Steam often provides more than just a sales pages for the fee, they always provide server access for multiplayer and cloud saving. That has to get covered somehow. I also believe in celebrating the good things going and there really aren’t many of those in the gaming market these days, certainly not in the AAA-money tier. I’m going to enjoy the wins we get. If you don’t want to do that, enjoy being miserable, I guess.
More entrenching of their services as a monopoly. Without a doubt the cost of a sales page and servers would be less than 30% of a lot of games sales. It’s a cost they are willing to pay if it means keeping their walled garden and 30% flat rate. (Like Sony selling consoles at a loss)
Any open source Linux contributions from steam (proton) are welcome because it’s not tied into their monopoly and people can use them freely.
You can enjoy the small victories while also being aware of future outcomes from these corporate giants.
Funny thing about 30% is that lowering it would probably kill off competition completely so that if that is one of the few selling points of alternatives it evaporates. Sort of like how it is hard to compete with the economies of scale of AWS.
GOG for example is 30%. If Valve were to lower it might make it even tougher to convince publishers to release there, and GOG even with the 30% had a period where they struggled to generate a profit.
And Epic games has been unprofitable with their 12% rate, so if they lose even that selling point then it’ll continue to be an unprofitable venture if there’s less of a reason to release there and hurt their hopes of being able to grow their market share enough to be profitable some day.
Yeah their monopoly already has fucked the whole gaming industry to the point of there being virtual no competition.
That fucking toxic shit needs to burn with the rest of the corporate shitheads.
A previously stated, eat the rich won’t make any exceptions for any oligarch let alone one running a monopoly.
They just sold games on the Windows platform to PC gamers. A platform called dead by companies like Epic for years. Windows never bothering to even consider pc gaming and fixating on consoles.
Not like anything unusual happened other than every other company thinking consoles were the future. Same things happening with Linux. All the other companies thinking Linux isn’t worth the effort and its all about Windows.
lol and that excuses their monopoly and blatant anti competition tactics?
They made their own monopoly where they saw the opportunity. Doesn’t mean we can’t do better and shouldn’t fight billionaires entrenching themselves into aspect of life.
If Microsoft had been smarter they would have leveraged their OS monopoly to position themselves to become the game launcher monopoly on the most used OS in the world, and been the go to place for every publisher. Would have made it easier to push UWP and added in additional DRM to make it more difficult to make Linux gaming a possibility with the game launcher being one run by Microsoft and made it more baked in to be reliant on the OS like Microsoft Store.
And even if game compatibility was worked out for Linux made it so people would need a Microsoft account if they wanted to play most PC games. That’s what Microsoft lost out on letting a non Microsoft company gain success with a third party launcher that is now leveraging their success to push a non Microsoft OS to the mainstream.
And about anti competition. All you’ve said is something about cuts and I pointed out that it would actually hurt competition, so you want them to make cuts so other launchers lose one of their selling points while making those that need a higher cut like GOG harder to stay alive as a business? I think you should get mad at other corporations for not also getting into the PC gaming market sooner.
You can complain about them making a lot of money, but other than that you haven’t really been clear beyond the generic they make a lot of money and are a monopoly euphemisms.
Yeah M$ fucked up their chances at the steam monopoly. Still doesn’t mean we need it to be a monopoly at all. Going from one billionaire conglomerate to another owning the monopoly, still leaves you with a monopoly. Neither option is good, you are still stuck in a monopoly that will enshittify.
It wouldn’t have been just a Steam monopoly. It would have been PC gaming gated behind Microsoft, and with Microsoft having zero incentive and total control with it being heavily integrated into their OS with no need for openness. A consolified PC gaming space would be what they would have loved. Not just to make piracy more difficult, but to get the trust of publishers who had all gone towards consoles because of the perceived benefits of a closed ecosystem.
Yes so now there is the operating system monopoly by the two giants and the gaming monopoly on pc with steam and the consoles being locked down ecosystems run by two corporations. None of that is good competition or a positive for creators or players.
It’s still a fucking monopoly we are stuck in and steam like every damn oligarch tech company needs to be chopped up.
Go on, lick that boot as hard as you can