regular civilians have done that too, am i gonna suggest you do that stuff? you are a regular civilian right?
im not saying the military hasnt done that stuff im saying the vast majority of members have probably never seen combat and more probably never even left base
“Everyone else is doing it too” is not a justification for rape…
Also do you have sources for that “regular civilians too” part? Because even if Shariah is a problematic system, it’s pretty fucking strick about rape/zina.
They joined an organization that murders millions and destroys complete countries.
IDC what their role was, they are guilty, just as anyone who joined the nazi party.
No, you didn’t get it.
First sentence are facts not “what I think”.
You think think they shouldn’t be held accountable.
I think they ALL deserve punishment.
I’m not making stuff up, I never said you said that literally, so it’s you making stuff up.
But you certainly implied it when you say ‘they are no different from regular people’ (where some commit crimes and most don’t).
You deliberately make a distinction between the scum who dropped bombs or shot civilians and the ones ‘jerking off’ or ‘never left their base’.
That excuse doesn’t fly.
Like in civilian law members of a criminal organization are punished for what other members do.
And they are part of it so should be held accountable.
If you can’t acknowledge that then you’re just making excuses for them.
Shock and awe and civil unrest also took lives. The US gov’t at whole deservesbthe blame, and everyone in the military sure. But the indiscriminate murdering of civilians in the street was not common. US troops actually had rules of engagemrnt
That’s not really accurate, the experience of an infantry soldier doing foot patrols in Afghanistan is completely different than someone who lived in a giant base in Iraq that had hiphop night and taco bell and never left it.
You don’t have to murder civilians to humiliate, dehumanize and diminish them. You just have to disrespect them and show them they are powerless. Which both ICE and US military do.
My own experience was that we took our boots off and helmets off when entering homes to meet with village elders. We did not talk to nor break customs around interactions with their women. I built wells to give communities water, ensured they had cooking and fuel oil, repaired infrastructure, and I placed my body over a family to shield them when the house I was in was getting shot at.
There were 237 casualties on my battalion, but by the end of our tour the place that was mired in firefights every day became peaceful enough that the press could walk about with officers and not even wear body armor.
We played soccer with kids, gave out food, ran electricity to homes, and made the best of what we could.
I have done humanitarian aid for NGOs in the years since and worked on mission trips. Neither experience has come close to the magnitude of elevating community needs as my time in the military did for those we were trying to help.
Just my own personal experience, but felt it was worth sharing.
uhh im pretty sure everyday they just sat around base bored as fuck and jerking off. real life isnt a call of duty game people 😂
Sometimes they were so bored that they tortured and raped people. And made photos of it for others to enjoy
regular civilians have done that too, am i gonna suggest you do that stuff? you are a regular civilian right?
im not saying the military hasnt done that stuff im saying the vast majority of members have probably never seen combat and more probably never even left base
“Everyone else is doing it too” is not a justification for rape…
Also do you have sources for that “regular civilians too” part? Because even if Shariah is a problematic system, it’s pretty fucking strick about rape/zina.
talking about any citizen in any country
Oh my bad for misunderstanding that part.
It just feels fucked when soldiers doing it were never held accountable, and knew that they were never going to be held accountable.
i agree that part is disgusting
Internet historical moment:
In this thread, a conflct almost occurred, but the result was reasonable discussion instead of a flame war.
They joined an organization that murders millions and destroys complete countries.
IDC what their role was, they are guilty, just as anyone who joined the nazi party.
well if that’s what you think that’s what you think
No, you didn’t get it.
First sentence are facts not “what I think”.
You think think they shouldn’t be held accountable.
I think they ALL deserve punishment.
when did i say they shouldnt be held accountable? now youre just making stuff up
I’m not making stuff up, I never said you said that literally, so it’s you making stuff up.
But you certainly implied it when you say ‘they are no different from regular people’ (where some commit crimes and most don’t).
You deliberately make a distinction between the scum who dropped bombs or shot civilians and the ones ‘jerking off’ or ‘never left their base’.
That excuse doesn’t fly.
Like in civilian law members of a criminal organization are punished for what other members do.
And they are part of it so should be held accountable.
If you can’t acknowledge that then you’re just making excuses for them.
And yet more than a hundred thousand Afghani people died. I’m glad your trip was uneventful.
Shock and awe and civil unrest also took lives. The US gov’t at whole deservesbthe blame, and everyone in the military sure. But the indiscriminate murdering of civilians in the street was not common. US troops actually had rules of engagemrnt
Tell me you weren’t there without telling me 🙄
That’s not really accurate, the experience of an infantry soldier doing foot patrols in Afghanistan is completely different than someone who lived in a giant base in Iraq that had hiphop night and taco bell and never left it.
You don’t have to murder civilians to humiliate, dehumanize and diminish them. You just have to disrespect them and show them they are powerless. Which both ICE and US military do.
My own experience was that we took our boots off and helmets off when entering homes to meet with village elders. We did not talk to nor break customs around interactions with their women. I built wells to give communities water, ensured they had cooking and fuel oil, repaired infrastructure, and I placed my body over a family to shield them when the house I was in was getting shot at.
There were 237 casualties on my battalion, but by the end of our tour the place that was mired in firefights every day became peaceful enough that the press could walk about with officers and not even wear body armor.
We played soccer with kids, gave out food, ran electricity to homes, and made the best of what we could.
I have done humanitarian aid for NGOs in the years since and worked on mission trips. Neither experience has come close to the magnitude of elevating community needs as my time in the military did for those we were trying to help.
Just my own personal experience, but felt it was worth sharing.
Thank you.
LOL rules of engagement.
There are plenty warcrimes commited by these mass-murdering imperialist looters, and rarely do they get punished for it.
Most ICE officers start at the office, are their paycheck justified to you?
whataboutism
Poor reading comprehension.
why are u making fun of my wage
Ok this joke was actually funny lmao.
Can confirm, was a fobbit.
Did the weddings and villages got bombed by themselves.
Disgusting comment.