• LesserAbe
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    4 days ago

    Not sure what you’re trying to say specifically, but if it comes to violence then we’ll get to it and we’ll win.

    But there are good strategic reasons to pursue every possible avenue before resorting to violence.

    • War excludes direct participation by a large portion of the population - many women, elderly, disabled.

    • It puts decision making in the hands of a smaller portion of the population, so it’s less democratic.

    • It’s much easier to destroy than it is to build, both in terms of infrastructure but also social structures and organizations.

    • You are more likely to gather support from other parties if you’re seen to have tried every option to deescalate. (In other words, “they started it”)

    When we look at what’s happening in Minneapolis, I think there’s casus belli. It’s more whether it is in our strategic interest to start a shooting war, and I’d say it’s not yet.

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      When we look at what’s happening in Minneapolis, I think there’s casus belli. It’s more whether it is in our strategic interest to start a shooting war, and I’d say it’s not yet.

      I agree, but it’s not going to be our choice. Everything Trump is doing is designed to trigger a violent response, which I don’t recommend but which will happen.

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        It’s sort of like throwing up. You feel sick, you try to do everything you can not to, but at a certain moment you know it’s going to happen and there’s no avoiding it.

        The problem is you don’t know ahead of time which times you’re going to actually throw up. Sometimes if you lay down or drink some water or whatever you feel better.

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          A perfect metaphor, thanks. Please take my plagiarism of it for the rest of my life as a compliment.

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          The US is however in the “ah fuck I have swallowed poison and should put fingers down my throat ASAP” moment

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            I’m talking specifically about armed conflict. You’re right we absolutely can’t go on the way things are. I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that we have to have a shooting war.

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              Tbf that can easily be avoided. Just have your workers unionize and start a nationwide strike until the Trump administration leaves.

              Well, a shooting war might be easier in the US case but there are alternatives