I cannot see a way out of this for Starmer. Extremely poor judgement or a willingness to turn a blind eye. Either way it’s bad.

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    Progressives are right-wing and conservatives are left-wing specifically in Britain.

    put down the crack pipe.

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      I suppose the people I’ve been talking to irl have mislead me then. I’ve been constantly corrected on it.

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        yeah, who are your friends, Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage? Labour are left wing, and mostly/usually socially progressive. The problem with labour is that they support some of the same authoritarian things that the conservatives do, like dragnet surveillance. This is due to the sensibilities of the british population, and trying to win votes, which is why they are attempting to further regulate migration and continue with brexit/keeping the UK out of the EU.

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          My friends are very much progressive and prefer to vote for Labour or Green.

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            if they are progressive and vote labour or green, how are they saying the progressives are right wing and conservatives left wing?

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              Probably just a spread of misinformation in that particular circle. The idea was that the meanings were literally inverted.

              It could have possibly come from an older time in politics, or maybe started out malicious and just lost its edge.

              I tend to be quite trusting, and I tend to refer to political views more as progressive/conservative rather than left/right, so I never really questioned where the idea came from.