And just because other religions do it doesn’t justify the practice. It is still a practice that is rooted in the patriarchal oppression of women. It just goes to show that religion, all of them, is an oppressive institution.
As some who has lived in and is from a culture where it’s optional based on how pious you are, this doesn’t ring true. While some places have it as oppression, sometimes people do it because they genuinely want to be modest, or feel more religious. Some people spend most of the time without it, and use it only for religious occasions, and it’s not forced.
I’ve visited graves with female family members who don’t wear it during day to day, and they put it on when visiting the gravesite, or during prayers. No one forced them. I’ve had family members who didn’t put it on when visiting the gravesite, and nothing happened to them, because it’s not obligatory in my culture.
We’ve even had headscarves (not face covering) be banned for people attending university or working for the government, in the name of secularism. In other cultures related to mine,
Unfortunately for atheist edgelords , the truth is more subtle and nuanced. It’s not as simple as “It’s oppressive!”.
There ARE people who do force it on others, and the widely accepted religious teaching is that it should NOT be that way. But extremists gonna extremist. There ARE people who enact the bans as a show of harassment towards ethnic minorities, for example, in not allowing people to participate in sports or swimming in adequate and safe aquatic apparel, in order to prevent religious people from participating in activities in the water.
Specifically headscarf bans have been enacted this way in western countries, but also in secular countries with 90+ percent muslim populations, in an attempt curb islamists from taking a foothold within the country.
It’s not at all cut and dry. Have a look into countries that have heavy percentages of muslim populations and their application of secularism OUTSIDE of the MENA region, where they do take this shit too far. Places in SE and Central Asia for example. They have problems with authoritarianism, yes, but, not in terms of religious oppression.
Cool story except the history of religion is rooted in the patriarchal oppression of women (and the working class but that’s tangential). Just because some women of the modern day have internalized their own oppression does not justify the origins of why the practice was first institutionalized nor negate its roots as an oppressive institution
You’re right. It is nuanced. Women want to cover themselves because it makes them comfortable? Okay, cool, that’s what they want and that is valid. Women doing so for “religious reasons” is literally just internalized oppression. Those religious reasons are inherently oppressive. Religion itself as a societal institution is a tool of oppression.
Sure and the history of all atheism everywhere is rooted in communism, because it was invented by Karl Marx himself when he wrote “religion is the opiate of the masses”. /s
Take this as an opportunity to learn something. Goodbye.
As some who has lived in and is from a culture where it’s optional based on how pious you are, this doesn’t ring true. While some places have it as oppression, sometimes people do it because they genuinely want to be modest, or feel more religious. Some people spend most of the time without it, and use it only for religious occasions, and it’s not forced.
I’ve visited graves with female family members who don’t wear it during day to day, and they put it on when visiting the gravesite, or during prayers. No one forced them. I’ve had family members who didn’t put it on when visiting the gravesite, and nothing happened to them, because it’s not obligatory in my culture.
We’ve even had headscarves (not face covering) be banned for people attending university or working for the government, in the name of secularism. In other cultures related to mine,
Unfortunately for atheist edgelords , the truth is more subtle and nuanced. It’s not as simple as “It’s oppressive!”.
There ARE people who do force it on others, and the widely accepted religious teaching is that it should NOT be that way. But extremists gonna extremist. There ARE people who enact the bans as a show of harassment towards ethnic minorities, for example, in not allowing people to participate in sports or swimming in adequate and safe aquatic apparel, in order to prevent religious people from participating in activities in the water.
Specifically headscarf bans have been enacted this way in western countries, but also in secular countries with 90+ percent muslim populations, in an attempt curb islamists from taking a foothold within the country.
It’s not at all cut and dry. Have a look into countries that have heavy percentages of muslim populations and their application of secularism OUTSIDE of the MENA region, where they do take this shit too far. Places in SE and Central Asia for example. They have problems with authoritarianism, yes, but, not in terms of religious oppression.
Cool story except the history of religion is rooted in the patriarchal oppression of women (and the working class but that’s tangential). Just because some women of the modern day have internalized their own oppression does not justify the origins of why the practice was first institutionalized nor negate its roots as an oppressive institution
You’re right. It is nuanced. Women want to cover themselves because it makes them comfortable? Okay, cool, that’s what they want and that is valid. Women doing so for “religious reasons” is literally just internalized oppression. Those religious reasons are inherently oppressive. Religion itself as a societal institution is a tool of oppression.
Sure and the history of all atheism everywhere is rooted in communism, because it was invented by Karl Marx himself when he wrote “religion is the opiate of the masses”. /s
Take this as an opportunity to learn something. Goodbye.
The irony that someone who cannot recognize that religion is itself as an institution is a tool of oppression telling the other to learn something.
You’re a joke.
FYI, I’m not a fan of Marx. I prefer Kropotkin.
No Gods, No Masters.