• roofuskit
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    16 hours ago

    Locked down platforms don’t have opt outs for the locks. Though it is a concerning move in the wrong direction.

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      16 hours ago

      What opt outs are you referring to? Installing an alternative OS?

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        16 hours ago

        Not sure if you’ve been following but the app lockdown does not prevent you from installing apps. You can opt out of the controls they are implementing. They backtracked after the outrage. The information on that website is not entirely correct.

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          7 hours ago

          Did you actually read the link? They address this in a big red box:

          Update: Google has not “backed down” from developer verification

          Contrary to a vague mention of a possible “advanced flow” that may eventually allow “experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn’t verified”, Google’s description of the program continues to state plainly that:

          Starting in September 2026, Android will require all apps to be registered by verified developers in order to be installed on certified Android devices

          Until such time that they have shown evidence that it will be possible to bypass the verification process without undue friction, we must believe what is stated on their official page: that all apps from non-registered developers will be blocked once their lock-down goes into effect.

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            15 hours ago

            Yup, which is why we have to be diligent and prepared. But false information doesn’t solve that issue because you get dismissed.

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          15 hours ago

          They didn’t fully backtrack. They haven’t given details but there are still questions about what “advanced flow” means and whether it’ll involve Google spying on what people install. Even if they backed off the worst part of it, this is still monopolist, anti-consumer, and likely privacy-violating behavior, and the correct action isn’t to go “eh they compromise a little so I’ll shut up and eat my slop”

        • Ulrich@feddit.org
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          15 hours ago

          Not sure if you’ve been following but there’s no way to opt out. They did not backtrack on anything, despite widespread erroneous reporting. If you click the OP, it says as much. If you have a source that shows they did, please share it because I’d love to read it.

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            15 hours ago

            Here’s Google’s official blog where they back off from complete lockdown

            Android Developers Blog: Android developer verification: Early access starts now as we continue to build with your feedback https://share.google/5jCv5uDMFcFnc11UN

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              15 hours ago

              that’s not backing down at all. they speak of a possible workflow, but they don’t say you’ll be able to install unverified apps. they still say they’ll require it, in fact.

              Starting in September 2026, Android will require all apps to be registered by verified developers in order to be installed on certified Android devices

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                13 hours ago

                Empowering experienced users

                While security is crucial, we’ve also heard from developers and power users who have a higher risk tolerance and want the ability to download unverified apps.

                Based on this feedback and our ongoing conversations with the community, we are building a new advanced flow that allows experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn’t verified. We are designing this flow specifically to resist coercion, ensuring that users aren’t tricked into bypassing these safety checks while under pressure from a scammer. It will also include clear warnings to ensure users fully understand the risks involved, but ultimately, it puts the choice in their hands. We are gathering early feedback on the design of this feature now and will share more details in the coming months.

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                6 hours ago

                I mean what they pasted here sure sounds like that us what it says.

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                13 hours ago

                Sure did. Did you?

                "Empowering experienced users

                While security is crucial, we’ve also heard from developers and power users who have a higher risk tolerance and want the ability to download unverified apps.

                Based on this feedback and our ongoing conversations with the community, we are building a new advanced flow that allows experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn’t verified. We are designing this flow specifically to resist coercion, ensuring that users aren’t tricked into bypassing these safety checks while under pressure from a scammer. It will also include clear warnings to ensure users fully understand the risks involved, but ultimately, it puts the choice in their hands. We are gathering early feedback on the design of this feature now and will share more details in the coming months. "

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                  13 hours ago

                  As I said earlier, only a vague mention of an “advanced flow” that’s still in the works. Nothing saying they are no longer going to require distributors to register with Google, but it does say that they will require it on Google’s own website:

                  Starting in September 2026, Android will require all apps to be registered by verified developers in order to be installed on certified Android devices

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                    11 hours ago

                    Just adding in, The Android developer page does clarify this problem. It will be a default on and will require the user going out of their way to turn it off.

                    They have a direct question there labeled as the following.

                    If I want to modify an app and install it on my own device, or if I’m a power user, is there a way to turn this verification requirement off

                    And then the response is as follows.

                    We understand this is an important use case for many developers and power users. While the verification requirement itself is a core OS feature to help protect the broader ecosystem from malware and can’t be turned off, we plan to offer two paths for experienced users to install unverified apps:

                    • Advanced flow: We are building a flow that allows experienced users to proceed with installing an unverified app after going through a series of clear warnings. This new mode is designed to resist social engineering, helping users fully understand the risks, but ultimately gives experienced users the choice to accept the heightened security risk and install the software. We are gathering early feedback on the design of this feature now and will share more details in the coming months.
                    • Android Debug Bridge (ADB): Developers and power users can still use Android Debug Bridge (ADB) to build, test, and install modified or unverified apps on their own devices, which remains the standard method for development work.

                    Honestly, it doesn’t seem all that different than how fdroid is currently configured on Google. I expect that you’ll have to enable an option on top of the unofficial sources toggle that also states unverified apps.

                    Being as they also specify what the Android debugging bridge is as a second bullet point, I expect that it’s not going to be through ADB like a lot of people were worried about as well.

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          16 hours ago

          you can only do that if you use a custom ROM

          but on official ROM, no you can’t

          • roofuskit
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            12 hours ago

            All Google has said is that “it’s not a sideloading restriction, but an ‘Accountability Layer.’ Advanced users will be able to’Install without verifying,’ but expect a high-friction flow designed to help users understand the risks.”

            That quote comes from the director of product management from Google Play. It has not been altered or deleted since posted.

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              12 hours ago

              Again, a bunch of vague nonsensical horseshit. That sounds like their previous strategy where they said you could use adb, which is completely unrealistic, and is 1000% a sideloading restriction.