• mrdown
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    19 hours ago

    You are naive if you think the USA empire and elite has nothing to win from the war on Iran. The USA and Isrsel has simoly mutual interests. The epstein files has ton of dirt on Israel that’s why Netenyahu deny Israel involvment. Even if the files never existed the USA would still attack Iran

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          18 hours ago

          Bullshit on your bullshit, forces in the US have long wanted war, we wouldn’t be having this one if Israel wasn’t using it’s Epstein blackmail.

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            18 hours ago

            We would definitely be on this one. Why Biden allowed the Israel to prepare for the attack during his presidency? It is because destroying another Russian and Chinese ally is benificial for the american empire

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              18 hours ago

              It’s a mix there are definitely those in the US that want this, that have been working towards this. The neoconservatives and whatever they grew into, the project 2025 douchelords, and they are running the party, leading the president around by the hand to betray is America First legacy, and alienate all of his supporters from that that didn’t support the party but supported him because he was anti war and wanted to fix this country not do overseas things, that didn’t know any better to know he was full of shit on every score at every level.

              Then the evangelicals, which is like 25% or more of the Republican base, and they want strife in the middle east because it will bring on the second coming of (angry) jesus, whom will then bring the faithful (them,) to heaven and drown the world in lakes of blood and fire. Plus other religious groups like baptists that aren’t all that dissimilar but idk.

              So them and others all want the war with Iran. The forces that don’t include many monied interests, especially ones that depend on oil, as Iran presumably this time will shut down the gulf to trade, something they should’ve done last time frankly, I presume it’s something they are able to do, they better fucking hope they can it’s their only real card to play here, and a powerful one, and remove 25% of the world’s oil supply from the market, and the instability that will jack the prices up further.

              Take down a couple of tankers and insurance should pull their contracts and keep them out of the gulf.

              So we are looking at major hyper inflation, and that is what would be holding the president back, via those monied interests.

              All that said, and regardless of all the forces that want a war with Iran, it’s Israel and their superfans, a group that includes the evangelicals, and US billionaires, and others in the US it’s not an entirely separate group between Israel and the US, that are making this war happen, or trying to right now, for domestic political purposes, Israel’s politicians need to draw out the forever war so they don’t have to face the music, and elections, and so they can continue this until they can figure out how to not get criminally prosecuted for all sorts of shit if they lose.

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                17 hours ago

                In your first comment you claimed it was all about the Epstein files

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                  17 hours ago

                  It is, that is what I’m saying, this war is all driven by Israel utilizing their epstein files. To say Israel includes a lot of interests in the US that want it as well, but none of this would be happening without Israel making it happen with their Influence.

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                    17 hours ago

                    Before there was even Israeli lobbies the USA was still supporting Israel. It is simply, ahistorical to say that geopolitics and mutual interests was not involved in the USA support for Israel. Many historians and experts confirm that like Michael Oren, Walter Russell Mead, William B. Quandt and Michael Hudson