Well this was a personal project at a shop I work at, so I don’t have any pricing knowledge really. I did burn up several sides to the inserts I used, so that’s like $60 in tools, took about an hour of messing around with it. I bet a shop with more experience with hard metal and big stuff would charge you $100-200 to face it, depends on shop rate and stuff.
Carbide is acceptable and will get the job done, but youre going to burn up a lot of inserts getting it dialed in.
Ceramic, on the other hand, is purpose designed for cutting hardened materials.
I was tearing my hair out trying to turn a hardened 4140 piece in my lathe even running carbide. Then I picked up some ceramic inserts and it was like night and day. Immediate and dramatic improvement in surface finish and tool life.
We have a face mill that takes the same style carbide (although smaller size) that my lathe tool does and I’m very interested to see how that runs with ceramic.
Tungsten and boron carbide should be much harder than any ceramic, though I have had similar experiences with carbide drill bits. I wonder what exactly “carbide” actually means sometimes.
Most carbide I’ve run into is usually around 65HRC. The ceramic is have in my lathe right now is 95HRC. Its a significant difference. Its brittle, so it doesn’t like interrupted cuts, but it loves heat and speed that would cook carbide in seconds.
I wonder what someone with wire EDM would charge. That seems like an ideal and cheap use. I’ve been dreaming of EDM lately… in a Linsey Publications type of context.
How much does a job like that run at retail walk-in rate?
Well this was a personal project at a shop I work at, so I don’t have any pricing knowledge really. I did burn up several sides to the inserts I used, so that’s like $60 in tools, took about an hour of messing around with it. I bet a shop with more experience with hard metal and big stuff would charge you $100-200 to face it, depends on shop rate and stuff.
If it’s hardened, you’ll want carbide tooling, which can be spendy if you break it. A shell/face mill like was used here works great.
Personally, I probably would have tried to fly cut this with a carbide tool for that extra fancy surface finish!
I would charge $75 or so to do this if I like you. But I only machine as a hobby, and have no idea of going rates for walk-ins.
Carbide is acceptable and will get the job done, but youre going to burn up a lot of inserts getting it dialed in.
Ceramic, on the other hand, is purpose designed for cutting hardened materials.
I was tearing my hair out trying to turn a hardened 4140 piece in my lathe even running carbide. Then I picked up some ceramic inserts and it was like night and day. Immediate and dramatic improvement in surface finish and tool life.
We have a face mill that takes the same style carbide (although smaller size) that my lathe tool does and I’m very interested to see how that runs with ceramic.
Tungsten and boron carbide should be much harder than any ceramic, though I have had similar experiences with carbide drill bits. I wonder what exactly “carbide” actually means sometimes.
Most carbide I’ve run into is usually around 65HRC. The ceramic is have in my lathe right now is 95HRC. Its a significant difference. Its brittle, so it doesn’t like interrupted cuts, but it loves heat and speed that would cook carbide in seconds.
65 seems really low to me for something called carbide, but I’ll need to do some research into this!
I wonder what someone with wire EDM would charge. That seems like an ideal and cheap use. I’ve been dreaming of EDM lately… in a Linsey Publications type of context.
That’d be a long depth of cut! Would also leave a rougher surface, if you care about that.
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