Ukraine is making massive headway against Russia right now. Putin’s forces are crumbling all over the front line. So my question is this.

Should Ukraine keep hammering Russia even after they have regained all of their territory?

Because all Putin will do is lick his wounds and rebuild. (if his own people haven’t taken him out that is)

I’m not saying stepping onto Russian soil, but simply continue to destroy Russia’s military until they’re so broken they will never recover quickly. If at all.

What do you think?

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    7 days ago

    You sure seem like you’ve got an axe to grind. And I don’t think your points are invalid, but you clear have an objective.

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      Yes, to establish a sober analysis of the state of the world so I can navigate it more effectively. I have zero need for inflated senses of hope for a conflict based on cherry picking facts, ignoring history and reality, and flat out knowingly choosing to believe “our glorious” propaganda.

      And I hope others can give up that need to cling to falsehoods as well.

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        Sure, and i think its important to be sober about outcomes. But what I’m saying is you seem to have a team you are rooting for, which is contradictory with your first claim.

        Two questions to follow.

        One, do you (currently) believe Ukraine will lose this war?

        What would you need to see happen to update your belief that Ukraine will win this war?

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          I believe Ukraine will lose this war. I do not believe Ukraine can win the war, it is too small and has lost too many soldiers. The only way to win the war with a Russian defeat is through a coalition of countries pooling their resources, or for a country stronger than Russia (which right now looks like only China and the USA) to engage directly. China won’t do that. I don’t believe the US will do it either.

          So what would have to happen for me to update my belief would be for other countries to form an alliance with Ukraine, amass materiel, and send their troops to the front line. Otherwise, the US and Western Europe will continue to feed only enough support to keep Russia threatened sufficiently that it will not choose to voluntarily end the war, and enough to keep the Ukrainians in this constant win-a-little-lose-a-little space that keeps them all fighting and not willing to negotiate a surrender.

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            7 days ago

            Do you think Russia continues their invasion if Putin dies?

            Otherwise, the US and Western Europe will continue to feed only enough support to keep Russia threatened sufficiently that it will not choose to voluntarily end the war, and enough to keep the Ukrainians in this constant win-a-little-lose-a-little space that keeps them a

            I think this is an accurate assessment of the past 3 years.

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              7 days ago

              Depends entirely on the circumstances of his death. His death alone? No. War is not primarily driven by an individual’s psychology. Not Russia/Ukraine. Not US/Venezuela, nor Iran, nor Syria, nor Somalia, nor Nigeria, nor Cuba.

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                War is not primarily driven by an individual’s psychology.

                I don’t agree with that whatsoever. And I don’t think any one should. This is 100% a war coming directly from an explicit effort to transform the character of Russia.

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                  I think that it’s foolish to imagine that a complex and functioning bureaucracy can manage the third largest military in the world on the whims of single histrionic and delusional person for decades. That’s just not how the world works.

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                    What are you talking about? Entire regimes are held together through dictators for literally decades, and collapse almost instantaneously when the central figure is removed.