No I’m not abdicating anything when you have no idea how I’ve voted or my politics.
I understand a frustration with how the states have handled basic fucking governance. However I think you’re taking things a bit too far assigning all that blame on me personally. I have not abdicated anything by describing the reality of the situation. But again I get the frustration with Trump and conservatives running wild…
Yea you want to paint the whole country as foolish, I’m simply saying that’s a broad brush and reality is there a systemic imbalance that cannot be ignored. To ignore something as big as that is to over simplify things and it defeats your own argument of abdicating responsibility.
But bitch and moan all you like if it makes you feel better. It doesn’t really address the issue though.
However I think you’re taking things a bit too far assigning all that blame on me personally.
There’s a difference between blaming you personally and saying Americans, such as yourself, need to take responsibility for the situation you have collectively created. There’s a difference between assigning blame and assigning responsibility.
But bitch and moan all you like if it makes you feel better. It doesn’t really address the issue though.
Are you not getting it? This is not my issue to address. This is your country and your issue. Preaching to foreigners about the sins of the electoral college is moat here. I don’t give a shit about the electoral college. I care about how your country is treating the rest of us.
Here’s an analogy: imagine a man that’s acting out in public, and harming other people. When confronted about it he says, “oh, well, it’s not my fault because I have a lot of shit going in my personal life.” That might be the case. But is that an adequate response? No. Because the rest of us don’t care about his personal life. We care about how he’s acting out.
The same goes for the USA. Stop airing your dirty laundry and just get your shit together.
Oh so the issue is me taking personal responsibility for the Trump admin? Am I personally responsible for the Iraq war as well? I mean I personally voted against all that and Trump but you mean to say that I can do something to collectively make you feel better? Responsibility absolutely affects the whole country but you’re really just pissing into the wind with this half assed blame game… you feel the need to impugn people you’ve never met just to feel justified at picking a fight.
Im not picking a fight or even disagreeing with you, I’m simply mentioning how desperate your own argument is…
Again, I am not saying you are personally responsible, and blame is not the same as responsibility. But as an American, you do bear responsibility for the mess your country has created (in the sense that, if you do not try to stop it, you are complicit). Its the same as how everyday Germans in Nazi Germany had a moral responsibility to stop the Nazi regime, and those that didn’t bother or made excuses are rightly remembered as being complicit and as behaving in ways that were morally reprehensible. Except, unlike the Germans, you are not yet living in a dictatorship, so you still have democratic means of resolving this (for now). So you have even less of an excuse than the Germans did.
This should not he a hard concept for you to understand. Everyone else in the Western world, except for Americans apparently, seem to understand this quite fine.
No I’m not abdicating anything when you have no idea how I’ve voted or my politics.
I understand a frustration with how the states have handled basic fucking governance. However I think you’re taking things a bit too far assigning all that blame on me personally. I have not abdicated anything by describing the reality of the situation. But again I get the frustration with Trump and conservatives running wild…
Yea you want to paint the whole country as foolish, I’m simply saying that’s a broad brush and reality is there a systemic imbalance that cannot be ignored. To ignore something as big as that is to over simplify things and it defeats your own argument of abdicating responsibility.
But bitch and moan all you like if it makes you feel better. It doesn’t really address the issue though.
There’s a difference between blaming you personally and saying Americans, such as yourself, need to take responsibility for the situation you have collectively created. There’s a difference between assigning blame and assigning responsibility.
Are you not getting it? This is not my issue to address. This is your country and your issue. Preaching to foreigners about the sins of the electoral college is moat here. I don’t give a shit about the electoral college. I care about how your country is treating the rest of us.
Here’s an analogy: imagine a man that’s acting out in public, and harming other people. When confronted about it he says, “oh, well, it’s not my fault because I have a lot of shit going in my personal life.” That might be the case. But is that an adequate response? No. Because the rest of us don’t care about his personal life. We care about how he’s acting out.
The same goes for the USA. Stop airing your dirty laundry and just get your shit together.
Oh so the issue is me taking personal responsibility for the Trump admin? Am I personally responsible for the Iraq war as well? I mean I personally voted against all that and Trump but you mean to say that I can do something to collectively make you feel better? Responsibility absolutely affects the whole country but you’re really just pissing into the wind with this half assed blame game… you feel the need to impugn people you’ve never met just to feel justified at picking a fight.
Im not picking a fight or even disagreeing with you, I’m simply mentioning how desperate your own argument is…
Again, I am not saying you are personally responsible, and blame is not the same as responsibility. But as an American, you do bear responsibility for the mess your country has created (in the sense that, if you do not try to stop it, you are complicit). Its the same as how everyday Germans in Nazi Germany had a moral responsibility to stop the Nazi regime, and those that didn’t bother or made excuses are rightly remembered as being complicit and as behaving in ways that were morally reprehensible. Except, unlike the Germans, you are not yet living in a dictatorship, so you still have democratic means of resolving this (for now). So you have even less of an excuse than the Germans did.
This should not he a hard concept for you to understand. Everyone else in the Western world, except for Americans apparently, seem to understand this quite fine.