• humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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      14 hours ago

      100%. The US is welcome to join again, after passing democracy reviews, and a proper evaluation of what it can contribute to the alliance. Instead of the natural reaction of begging for “US to reconsider abandonning alliance” burden must be placed on US and its eagerness to maintain/join the alliance.

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        13 hours ago

        Great points. Except, per your previous comments, you believe Ukraine started the Russian invasion of its own lands. That Russia deserves that land and it belongs to them.

        So everything you say about NATO means nothing to anyone with a brain.

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      12 hours ago

      Would be nice if they ceremoniouslykick out each republican president from now on, for their past behavior, their party and their politics which are antithetical to the goals of NATO the UN and all US allies frankly.

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        12 hours ago

        Obama did so many illegal drone stikes and supported Saudis carpet bombing civilians in Yemen. Biden financed and allowed a genocide that’s continuing today.

        it’s an American imperialism problem, not a Republican problem

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          While those things are problems, they aren’t problems for NATO. NATO is literally a tool built by America for American imperial interests, so Trump throwing it in the trash has more to do with his own personal grievances than advancing American interests.

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          12 hours ago

          Illegal how? Who has threatened a charge? What dem started a war in the past decades?

          If the best you can say is that Dems went multiple terms with no wars and only used bombs at one point then you’re basically telling the whole internet you have zero capacity for scope or nuance.

          We get it you don’t understand the difference between a bombing or a war, a forest for the trees. No one is cheering either on but your lack of nuance tells everyone how dense your take on politics comes off.

          It’s obvious you don’t have the capacity to judge modern reality so honestly don’t worry about it. Just keep calling everyone GeNoCiDaL and stop participating. You obviously don’t recognize the world around you.

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            11 hours ago

            Clinton started wars in Haiti, Sudan / Afghanistan, Serbia / Kosovo

            Obama started wars in Somalia, Libya, DR Congo / Uganda /CAR / S Sudan, Niger / Mali / Burkina Faso, Syria, Yemen, Libya (again).

            Biden started a war in Yemen (again) and joined Israeli wars.

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              The interventions in Bosnia and Kosovo was a result of Serbian and Yugoslav genocide and ethnic cleansing of Albanian Kosovars. Once Serbian and Yugoslav forces retreated the war ended and led to Kosovo being protected to this day by a multinational force.

              The doubts around legality arose because Russia and China refused to back a UN force so NATO were forced to intervene to prevent the genocide and stop the conflict spilling over into neighbouring countries.

              So to say Clinton started a war, comparing it to some of the shit that has happened since and suggesting it was illegal is pretty disingenuous to be honest. NATO interventions undoubtedly prevented the untimely deaths of tens of thousands of people. And if anything the biggest advocates for the war were the UK. British troops led the ground invasion and are now responsible for the continued KFOR presence in the region.

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            10 hours ago

            careful, make sure you take vitamin supplements, there isn’t a lot of vitamins in a diet composed entirely on bootlicking corporate owned neoliberal war criminal’s boots

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        12 hours ago

        If only.

        Obama did drone war crimes and began mass deportations. Biden financed a genocide and maintained Trump’s family separation and deportations. Unlike dems, or traditional Republicans MAGA are just open about their racism.

        US is a racist imperialist project regardless of what stooge is chosen to sit at the top.

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          If my memory serves me right, obama dropped more bombs than trump has in the same stretch of time. Obama was BETTER than dumpy, but not by much. Obama at least tried to fix SOME problems. Dumpy is only making shit worse.

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            The US has always been involved in wars of some kind. The military-industrial complex probably needs them to siphon more money. All the recent presidents, except Trump, have been careful to maintain diplomacy and the international order. Trump and his henchmen have done their best to wreck system for everyone. I like to think that’s Trump, not the American people (maybe it’s MAGA too).

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              pretty much. trump is definitely gonna be remembered like he wants, I’m just not sure how many people he’s going to take out in the meantime.

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                7 hours ago

                how many Americans needlessly dies during Trump’s fumbling of COVID?

                He is already one of the biggest killers of Americans in American history.