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Not just Star Trek. One of the worst Star Treks.
The one where they established how everything would be needed and different and then they spent something like one in seven episodes in the holodeck. The one with all the equipment limitations that they forgot about. The one with the divided crew that the writers couldn’t write right. The one where an AI is the best written character.
I’ve watched all but the last year of trek at least twice. Voyager is better than Enterprise. But I’d probably rewatch Discovery before rewatching Voyager.
I think Lower Decks is at least as good as Voyager, and IMO much better.
But Discovery is tied for worst amongst at least one of the other series. I would not rewatch it, even if I was paid to do so. I liked Voyager, probably as much as I liked Enterprise, which I liked a lot better on rewatch than I did originally.
I did two rewatches of Enterprise within about 3 years. My second rewatch confirmed my problems with the first rewatch. They set up the whole Temple Cold War in the first episode and then barely touch on it for two seasons. They make you think they know what they’re writing but then they just let it sit there.
The xindi story arc is decent.
They totally wasted Mayweather.
They had two crew members I had a hard time telling apart other than the accent because there was nothing interesting about either one of them.
And any episode with Jeffrey Combs is a saving grace to the entire series.
I have a theory, one I can’t support with evidence: Voyager was scheduled to conclude after its seventh season and it was the only Trek on the air, so Paramount tasked a writer’s room with inventing a new series.
It’s been awhile since we’ve voyaged with the Starship Enterprise, so let’s do that. Yeah, we’ll even call the show Enterprise. We’re getting a little sick of all the Treknology, how do we stop with all the beaming directly to sick bay and such? I know, a prequel! We’ll set it before TOS even. We’ll have to retcon some stuff but we could do lots of cool stuff with the ship and uniform design. What’s the overall plot going to be about?
And then a silence fell. And then someone, addled from years of writing Voyager, blurted “Temporal…Cold War?” Before thinking those words through. And then nobody came up with a better idea so they sent it.
The implementation of the “temporal cold war” was occasionally having mysterious characters pop in to tell Archer he can’t get involved or else it’ll break the timeline, until they pivoted to Starship Troopers. “I’m from Pensacola, and I say kill 'em all!”
Star Trek has been getting weaker since DS9. TOS was groundbreaking for it’s day. TAS didn’t happen. TNG had a rough start and then became Trek’s actual soul. That turbo woke future utopia that I thought we were aspiring to? That’s TNG. DS9 is a ripoff of Babylon 5. No actually, JMS pitched B5 to Paramount who told him they weren’t interested and then went onto made it anyway, so it’s actually a different show, and from then on it’s been downhill.
The movies since then were First Contact aka Die Hard on the Enterprise. Insurrection, aka “Picard would have sided with the natives in Journey’s End if only they had white milfs,” Nemesis, aka “The first of two inferior remakes of Wrath of Kahn” and then JJ Abrams two fanfics including “The second of two inferior remakes of Wrath of Kahn.”
Voyager came on with a premise, most of which they didn’t stick to. Forget the huge, decadent and well supplied Enterprise, let’s take a small but fast scout ship loaded for a quick mission, strand them tremendously far away, and have them team up with a hostile crew to make ends meet. They make a point to list the number of shuttles and torpedoes they have in stock, and then proceed to crash/fire more than that from both. The Maquis are in Starfleet uniforms by the end of the pilot. They also stopped thinking things through? Like the biology of the Ocampa; Kes at one point says she will only go into heat once in her life, and they have a litter size of about one. So…that species is doomed. They’re worse at reproduction than the Vulcans.
ENT was advertised as “not your dad’s Star Trek”. Except my dad’s Star Trek was my Star Trek, I liked TOS and TNG. They went out of their way to make it lower brow; it’s a prequel mostly so Archer can be a worse person. Archer would kill the Gorn. They learned the wrong lesson from Seven of Nine and went even hornier. Jolene Blalock’s portrayal of “Another Hyperintelligent Yet Emotionally Stunted Bombshell In A Catsuit” was one thing, but they peeled the entire cast to their skivvies at one point or another. It was lower brow Trek for a dumber Bush-era America.
It seems that the folks who have been in charge since Trek returned to TV have a different, and far stupider, idea of “progressive” than Trek did decades earlier. “Representation on screen” seems to mean listing the colors of the pride flag. Doesn’t matter if the show is well written or smart or handles dilemmas as long as it spends enough time declaring itself not straight, not male and if you can get away with it not white, and yet Nutrek would never in a million years paint two dudes half black and half white and have them answer “why are you fighting?” with “They’re black on the left side” because that idea is too grown up for the children in charge.
Not just Star Trek. One of the worst Star Treks. The one where they established how everything would be needed and different and then they spent something like one in seven episodes in the holodeck. The one with all the equipment limitations that they forgot about. The one with the divided crew that the writers couldn’t write right. The one where an AI is the best written character.
That Star Trek.
Voyager has flaws but it’s not in the same holomatrix as the worst. Kurtzman has it on lock, which they talk about at 42m
With the exception of Lower Decks (which is amazing), Kurtzman Trek is universally garbage.
I’ve watched all but the last year of trek at least twice. Voyager is better than Enterprise. But I’d probably rewatch Discovery before rewatching Voyager.
I think Lower Decks is at least as good as Voyager, and IMO much better.
But Discovery is tied for worst amongst at least one of the other series. I would not rewatch it, even if I was paid to do so. I liked Voyager, probably as much as I liked Enterprise, which I liked a lot better on rewatch than I did originally.
I did two rewatches of Enterprise within about 3 years. My second rewatch confirmed my problems with the first rewatch. They set up the whole Temple Cold War in the first episode and then barely touch on it for two seasons. They make you think they know what they’re writing but then they just let it sit there.
The xindi story arc is decent.
They totally wasted Mayweather.
They had two crew members I had a hard time telling apart other than the accent because there was nothing interesting about either one of them.
And any episode with Jeffrey Combs is a saving grace to the entire series.
But overall Enterprise was pretty bad.
I have a theory, one I can’t support with evidence: Voyager was scheduled to conclude after its seventh season and it was the only Trek on the air, so Paramount tasked a writer’s room with inventing a new series.
It’s been awhile since we’ve voyaged with the Starship Enterprise, so let’s do that. Yeah, we’ll even call the show Enterprise. We’re getting a little sick of all the Treknology, how do we stop with all the beaming directly to sick bay and such? I know, a prequel! We’ll set it before TOS even. We’ll have to retcon some stuff but we could do lots of cool stuff with the ship and uniform design. What’s the overall plot going to be about?
And then a silence fell. And then someone, addled from years of writing Voyager, blurted “Temporal…Cold War?” Before thinking those words through. And then nobody came up with a better idea so they sent it.
The implementation of the “temporal cold war” was occasionally having mysterious characters pop in to tell Archer he can’t get involved or else it’ll break the timeline, until they pivoted to Starship Troopers. “I’m from Pensacola, and I say kill 'em all!”
Star Trek has been getting weaker since DS9. TOS was groundbreaking for it’s day. TAS didn’t happen. TNG had a rough start and then became Trek’s actual soul. That turbo woke future utopia that I thought we were aspiring to? That’s TNG. DS9 is a ripoff of Babylon 5. No actually, JMS pitched B5 to Paramount who told him they weren’t interested and then went onto made it anyway, so it’s actually a different show, and from then on it’s been downhill.
The movies since then were First Contact aka Die Hard on the Enterprise. Insurrection, aka “Picard would have sided with the natives in Journey’s End if only they had white milfs,” Nemesis, aka “The first of two inferior remakes of Wrath of Kahn” and then JJ Abrams two fanfics including “The second of two inferior remakes of Wrath of Kahn.”
Voyager came on with a premise, most of which they didn’t stick to. Forget the huge, decadent and well supplied Enterprise, let’s take a small but fast scout ship loaded for a quick mission, strand them tremendously far away, and have them team up with a hostile crew to make ends meet. They make a point to list the number of shuttles and torpedoes they have in stock, and then proceed to crash/fire more than that from both. The Maquis are in Starfleet uniforms by the end of the pilot. They also stopped thinking things through? Like the biology of the Ocampa; Kes at one point says she will only go into heat once in her life, and they have a litter size of about one. So…that species is doomed. They’re worse at reproduction than the Vulcans.
ENT was advertised as “not your dad’s Star Trek”. Except my dad’s Star Trek was my Star Trek, I liked TOS and TNG. They went out of their way to make it lower brow; it’s a prequel mostly so Archer can be a worse person. Archer would kill the Gorn. They learned the wrong lesson from Seven of Nine and went even hornier. Jolene Blalock’s portrayal of “Another Hyperintelligent Yet Emotionally Stunted Bombshell In A Catsuit” was one thing, but they peeled the entire cast to their skivvies at one point or another. It was lower brow Trek for a dumber Bush-era America.
It seems that the folks who have been in charge since Trek returned to TV have a different, and far stupider, idea of “progressive” than Trek did decades earlier. “Representation on screen” seems to mean listing the colors of the pride flag. Doesn’t matter if the show is well written or smart or handles dilemmas as long as it spends enough time declaring itself not straight, not male and if you can get away with it not white, and yet Nutrek would never in a million years paint two dudes half black and half white and have them answer “why are you fighting?” with “They’re black on the left side” because that idea is too grown up for the children in charge.
It’s not that Trek has gotten weaker after DS9. The problem is that DS9 is absolutely epic. Not just for Trek, but for everything.