• Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk
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    8 hours ago

    I personally feel that it’s perfectly fine to boycott problematic figures. Speech has real effects and should be treated like it.

    But once you accept the equivalence of speech/reading and violence you can start choosing to regulate speech/reading as violence, or free up violence as speech. I don’t think either is a great idea. Do you think that any of you have never said something hurtful to others? Should you be jailed for it?

    I await all the civil and non-hurtful replies from peaceful and sympathetic people I am likely to garner for this stance.

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      3 hours ago

      I know its a hyperbolic example (though entirely possible in the context you describe)

      What would be your thoughts on speech that had the effectual equivalent of murder?

      There’s no traps here im just interested in the thought process behind the context you provided.


      Side note: if verbal violence is possible then it would probably track that there are degrees of violence, much like the physical equivalent.

      If that’s true the argument that you shouldn’t regulate subjectively heavy violence because “who here hasn’t physically hurt someone?” Isn’t a reasonable as it sounds at first glance.


      For the record, Rowling is a shitbag, the potter books are mediocre and the actors were the best thing about the movies.

      None of that bias is in the foundation of my questions though.

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        3 hours ago

        Speech equivalent to murder? Well calls to violence, or criminal conspiracy are crimes. But that’s kind of a cop-out because they lead to eventual killing via non-speech means.

        Actual murder via speech would be… stuff like shouting fire in a crowded movie theater. (This is also already a crime.)

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          2 hours ago

          I used effectual equivalent for a reason.

          I did say it was somewhat hyperbolous but there are real life examples that are possible.

          Something like extended bullying directly leading to suicide, lies with the intention of causing harm or death.

          Calls to violence that lead to deaths that otherwise wouldn’t likely happen is a good example of one that can be technically correct but difficult to prove.

          Intentionally telling someone a door leads to safety when it actually leads to a spike pit is effectually the same as stabbing them yourself.

          Are those examples good enough for an answer?

          Im looking for how the idea holds up at the logical extreme so I can understand the bounds of the theoretical context.

          There doesn’t have to be a good answer either, some ideas only work in a limited boundary and break down at the extremes.

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      7 hours ago

      I await all the civil and non-hurtful replies from peaceful and sympathetic people I am likely to garner for this stance.

      You are a great person I agree with you and hope you live

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        3 hours ago

        Thanks, stranger. I hope you live and are happy even if we someday come to disagree on some things. You are more important to me than almost any disagreement.