I mean, if we’re getting very strict about RAW revivify does target a creature†, not the corpse of a creature. (Most DMs I know don’t make you hunt them down in the afterlife, or cast animate objects on their body first, but if we’re picking at technicalities I think I’m on solid footing.)
On the philosophical note, if your corpse doesn’t have the identity “you”, there’d be no way to raise “you” “yourself”. Though your objections to clone and planar ally counting as “raising yourself” are valid, but potentially debatable. I think it mostly comes down to how you define it.
The magic jar trick doesn’t rely on getting back into your body on the same turn, but even if it did, you could just push the jar off a shelf as a free interaction and break it to end the spell and return to your body. No Action Surge required.
I’m also well aware of how antimagic fields work, and (as with all aspects of the game) that it’s DM dependent. But online discussions that attempt to account for varying DM interpretations aren’t usually constructive, since some DMs can disagree about anything. I’m basing this position on the literal rules as written, and the interpretation of this very question by the official Sage Advice Compendium.
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However, many of the control effects depend on telepathy, which according to the Monster Manual, is explicitly magical. So I agree, antimagic fields could potentially suppress control with some methods of reanimation. Dispel magic is pretty nerfed in 5e though, and only spells or things that specify they’re affected by dispel magic are dispelled or suppressed.
†Albeit with some qualifiers, but still a creature rather than an object. Which now that I’m considering it means I think the spell qualifies on a technicality for glyph of warding as well, but the “[…] it targets the creature that triggered the glyph.” clause might cause it to fail if you’re an object at the time it’s triggered.
Yeah, the fact that revivify targets “a creature” is… really weird. It’s probably one of those situations where WotC wrote something inconsistent with the rest of their rulings and metaphysics (a corpse is never a creature, so under super strict RAW revivify can never actually do anything) - and rather than errata it to “the corpse of a creature” they’re just behaving like the wording is intentional.
For most purposes, it’s pretty obvious how it’s intended to work, so it’s sort of fine. But it irks me all the same.
I think there’s a difference between the philosophical concept of “you” (which for me means the holistic construct of your body, your soul, and your experiences and thoughts and personality) and “your corpse” (which for me means a sack of meat and bones.) - different people might differ on this though.
Sage Advice has some tangential stuff on whether or not a summon you create counts as “you” doing something that might be helpful for whether summon planar ally (or summon celestial etc) counts as “you” doing something - specifically they’ve said that if you cast a spell like “summon celestial” and it goes and attacks someone, that doesn’t break an ongoing sanctuary spell on you, even though it’s using your spell attack modifier. I’m not sure I super agree with Crawford on this point in the wider sense (he said that spirit guardians wouldn’t break sanctuary!!!) - but it’s an interesting data point on what counts as “stuff you do”
In general, my recommendation with any of this stuff is to talk to your DM, because the metaphysics of 5e aren’t really explicit enough for anyone to predict how their DM interprets them, and this idea is flangy enough that you’re gonna want to talk it over before trying it :)
Oh I forgot to talk about dispel magic. You’re correct that in RAW, dispel magic only ends spells.
However… it’s a common ruling of DMs that dispel magic can suppress ongoing non-spell magical effects or the effects of items etc. This is also backed up by a myriad of examples in published adventures where there’s some ongoing magical effect, and the book says “if you cast dispel magic on this, it stops the effect for a while” - including things like magical wards, traps, items etc etc. So… the rules don’t say that anything would happen, but the wider set of examples in adventures implies that something could happen, and it’s up to the DM what they want to do with this.
This is one of the areas where the strict RAW has never remotely resembled what I’ve seen at tables, both at my own and online or in shows.
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I mean, if we’re getting very strict about RAW revivify does target a creature†, not the corpse of a creature. (Most DMs I know don’t make you hunt them down in the afterlife, or cast animate objects on their body first, but if we’re picking at technicalities I think I’m on solid footing.)
On the philosophical note, if your corpse doesn’t have the identity “you”, there’d be no way to raise “you” “yourself”. Though your objections to clone and planar ally counting as “raising yourself” are valid, but potentially debatable. I think it mostly comes down to how you define it.
The magic jar trick doesn’t rely on getting back into your body on the same turn, but even if it did, you could just push the jar off a shelf as a free interaction and break it to end the spell and return to your body. No Action Surge required.
I’m also well aware of how antimagic fields work, and (as with all aspects of the game) that it’s DM dependent. But online discussions that attempt to account for varying DM interpretations aren’t usually constructive, since some DMs can disagree about anything. I’m basing this position on the literal rules as written, and the interpretation of this very question by the official Sage Advice Compendium.
(i.e.
)
However, many of the control effects depend on telepathy, which according to the Monster Manual, is explicitly magical. So I agree, antimagic fields could potentially suppress control with some methods of reanimation. Dispel magic is pretty nerfed in 5e though, and only spells or things that specify they’re affected by dispel magic are dispelled or suppressed.
†Albeit with some qualifiers, but still a creature rather than an object. Which now that I’m considering it means I think the spell qualifies on a technicality for glyph of warding as well, but the “[…] it targets the creature that triggered the glyph.” clause might cause it to fail if you’re an object at the time it’s triggered.
Yeah, the fact that revivify targets “a creature” is… really weird. It’s probably one of those situations where WotC wrote something inconsistent with the rest of their rulings and metaphysics (a corpse is never a creature, so under super strict RAW revivify can never actually do anything) - and rather than errata it to “the corpse of a creature” they’re just behaving like the wording is intentional.
For most purposes, it’s pretty obvious how it’s intended to work, so it’s sort of fine. But it irks me all the same.
I think there’s a difference between the philosophical concept of “you” (which for me means the holistic construct of your body, your soul, and your experiences and thoughts and personality) and “your corpse” (which for me means a sack of meat and bones.) - different people might differ on this though.
Sage Advice has some tangential stuff on whether or not a summon you create counts as “you” doing something that might be helpful for whether summon planar ally (or summon celestial etc) counts as “you” doing something - specifically they’ve said that if you cast a spell like “summon celestial” and it goes and attacks someone, that doesn’t break an ongoing sanctuary spell on you, even though it’s using your spell attack modifier. I’m not sure I super agree with Crawford on this point in the wider sense (he said that spirit guardians wouldn’t break sanctuary!!!) - but it’s an interesting data point on what counts as “stuff you do”
In general, my recommendation with any of this stuff is to talk to your DM, because the metaphysics of 5e aren’t really explicit enough for anyone to predict how their DM interprets them, and this idea is flangy enough that you’re gonna want to talk it over before trying it :)
Perfect.
Oh I forgot to talk about dispel magic. You’re correct that in RAW, dispel magic only ends spells.
However… it’s a common ruling of DMs that dispel magic can suppress ongoing non-spell magical effects or the effects of items etc. This is also backed up by a myriad of examples in published adventures where there’s some ongoing magical effect, and the book says “if you cast dispel magic on this, it stops the effect for a while” - including things like magical wards, traps, items etc etc. So… the rules don’t say that anything would happen, but the wider set of examples in adventures implies that something could happen, and it’s up to the DM what they want to do with this.
This is one of the areas where the strict RAW has never remotely resembled what I’ve seen at tables, both at my own and online or in shows.