The result is a stinging rebuke to the center-left Peronist coalition and the main Together for Change conservative opposition bloc with inflation at 116% and a cost-of-living crisis leaving four in 10 people in poverty.
“Argies are not stupid, EVERYONE knows whats going on “
Yes, they are and no, they don’t.
Just like EVERY country that suffered under incompetent and corrupt rule and gravitated to “change”.
I get it. Hell it’s be far not the first time Argentina has been in economic crisis. It’s a rational reaction with a reasonable basis that ignores the likely consequences.
That’s the point being made here - you want different, but is he actually better? Populist gestures like “he gave his salary away” mean he’s getting paid via other means. By whom? Why?
I get it - you’re sick of the status quo and he’s expressing the outrage you feel.
Good luck, really. I love BA and hope it works out.
Excuse me but mind pointing at whatever specific thing I may have said is unreasonable off my participation on this whole thread?
Furthermore mind explaining to me how is it unreasonable to Vote for the Guy with a Wig-Looking Hair that’s done nothing wrong Politically when the other runner ups are a Drunk Terrorist (Bullrich), A Politician that sucks the dick of whoever is at Power to keep himself rich while proven completely useless in Charge (Massa), A LizardMan that opresses the workers with Police brutality and allows his paid supportive trope to disrupt peace on the streets (Larreta) and Juan Grabois (Self explanatory)
And finally, if you are Argentine yourself, please “Rescatate loco”
To the first, saying we are not stupid is obviously a generalization, of course there are but its far from everyone being stupid, our education is poor and has only gotten worse with the current Government (by a myriad of reasons, really) but you saying they dont know what happens is straight up wrong. I do mean EVERYONE knows it, ask ANYONE om the street, on the internet any argentinian WILL KNOW but what they respond depends on how they live, because this government PAYS the people to rally and support them with Tax Money, They pay them to live like shit and vote them when time comes, they are their only sustain because the government is killing the Economy and all of the citizen’s possibilities, like I said, to keep themselves in Power
And also, I get your concern for his financing, but unlike all other Political candidates, he has actually had a Job not related to Politics on the past, and he gives speeches where he teaches economics as it is his Mayor, is a Writer and generally a “celebrity” lately. I cannot deny if a certain interest institution finances him, but I can sure confirm his opponents are
I get it man but accept that opting for worse in the pursuit of change is not a solution.
To a large degree that’s what led people to vote for Trump - he was independent (not actually), self-financed (big nope) and an outsider (incompetent clown). Not saying this guy is akin to Trump but are you certain enough of that to still support him?
Argentina’s history has enough heartbreak and man this guy sure smells like a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Maybe he’s really not. Maybe his heart is in the right place. That’s a big maybe.
Ok at this point I do not understand why you think he’s worse, while everything I’ve explained is why he’s the better candidate amongst the trashcan all 4 Others are (other chain of comments, sorry if you didnt read them), and there being no more viable options. Why do you think he’s worse? Just because hes a Far Right? Because he expresses sentiment to bad ideologies? If any of that is true, i’d let you know the guys in the Blue side praise Chinese overlords and Russian leaders, the guys in Yellow there’s nothing wrong im aware of but they’ve already been in the Government, doing nothing good to it and only proving they are part of the problem, despite that they are the ones I voted for on this round of Election in subject. Milei is a MAYBE he’s not bad, all others are FOR SURE BAD
If it is because some of his personnel ideas are surely gonna be pushed, hell as long as the good ideas are (which are majority), we urgently need them, we can deal with his shitty side later
I get you may be thinking with experience in hand of The Hell Trump instated on the US being a far Right, but im telling you from current experience of the Hell the Left has instated in Argentina for GENERATIONS
You’re right - I think but do not know he’s worse and it’s due to the global pattern of totalitarianism that the Right has embraced. I fear Argentina falling into that trap by electing a populist today that refuses to cede power tomorrow.
If he’s the least bad option that’s a commentary of the politics there and perhaps your conclusion is justified, I simply don’t know enough about them to say, but a meh known quantity appeals more to me than a personable extremist.
With all respect, is defeatism the best way to choose leadership? Far Right is in an of itself disqualifying to me because I strongly oppose their stated policy positions so I’m certainly not objective.
Im not familiar enough with the term “Defeateism” to be sure on my answer, but just from Google definition, It is rather the only way Argentines have to vote, but this time there’s at least hope since Milei is conpletely New, past Elections were completely defeateism as all candidates were already in power and were for sure bad, it was picking your poison 100%
I’d even say that the biggest driving factor for Milei’s success is that he’s new.
By the way, you said how you dont want Argentina to fall under totalitarism with a Populist that refuses to cede Power, you are describing exactly Kristina Fernandez on 2015 who refused to even stand in the same room to pass the Symbols of Power to the elected opossition Mauricio Macri, time again a Left Politician
No she didnt ced the Power, justice had to intervene and a Provisional President (that lasted 12 hours) had to do it instead of her, good thing our constitution explicitly extinguishes Presidential Power the exact moment the clock hits 00:00 their last day of charge, or else?
I know that you meant something more serious, but to our constitution there isnt more serious than this
You’re right - I think but do not know he’s worse and it’s due to the global pattern of totalitarianism that the Right has embraced. I fear Argentina falling into that trap by electing a populist today that refuses to cede power tomorrow.
If he’s the least bad option that’s a commentary of the politics there and perhaps your conclusion is justified, I simply don’t know enough about them to say, but a meh known quantity appeals more to me than a personable extremist.
With all respect, is defeatism the best way to choose leadership? Far Right is in an of itself disqualifying to me because I strongly oppose their stated policy positions so I’m certainly not objective.
“Argies are not stupid, EVERYONE knows whats going on “
Yes, they are and no, they don’t.
Just like EVERY country that suffered under incompetent and corrupt rule and gravitated to “change”.
I get it. Hell it’s be far not the first time Argentina has been in economic crisis. It’s a rational reaction with a reasonable basis that ignores the likely consequences.
That’s the point being made here - you want different, but is he actually better? Populist gestures like “he gave his salary away” mean he’s getting paid via other means. By whom? Why?
I get it - you’re sick of the status quo and he’s expressing the outrage you feel.
Good luck, really. I love BA and hope it works out.
Aced it. Milei’s following can’t be reasoned with. They are pretty much like that other world power that almost had a coup. God save us.
Excuse me but mind pointing at whatever specific thing I may have said is unreasonable off my participation on this whole thread?
Furthermore mind explaining to me how is it unreasonable to Vote for the Guy with a Wig-Looking Hair that’s done nothing wrong Politically when the other runner ups are a Drunk Terrorist (Bullrich), A Politician that sucks the dick of whoever is at Power to keep himself rich while proven completely useless in Charge (Massa), A LizardMan that opresses the workers with Police brutality and allows his paid supportive trope to disrupt peace on the streets (Larreta) and Juan Grabois (Self explanatory)
And finally, if you are Argentine yourself, please “Rescatate loco”
To the first, saying we are not stupid is obviously a generalization, of course there are but its far from everyone being stupid, our education is poor and has only gotten worse with the current Government (by a myriad of reasons, really) but you saying they dont know what happens is straight up wrong. I do mean EVERYONE knows it, ask ANYONE om the street, on the internet any argentinian WILL KNOW but what they respond depends on how they live, because this government PAYS the people to rally and support them with Tax Money, They pay them to live like shit and vote them when time comes, they are their only sustain because the government is killing the Economy and all of the citizen’s possibilities, like I said, to keep themselves in Power
And also, I get your concern for his financing, but unlike all other Political candidates, he has actually had a Job not related to Politics on the past, and he gives speeches where he teaches economics as it is his Mayor, is a Writer and generally a “celebrity” lately. I cannot deny if a certain interest institution finances him, but I can sure confirm his opponents are
I get it man but accept that opting for worse in the pursuit of change is not a solution.
To a large degree that’s what led people to vote for Trump - he was independent (not actually), self-financed (big nope) and an outsider (incompetent clown). Not saying this guy is akin to Trump but are you certain enough of that to still support him?
Argentina’s history has enough heartbreak and man this guy sure smells like a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Maybe he’s really not. Maybe his heart is in the right place. That’s a big maybe.
Ok at this point I do not understand why you think he’s worse, while everything I’ve explained is why he’s the better candidate amongst the trashcan all 4 Others are (other chain of comments, sorry if you didnt read them), and there being no more viable options. Why do you think he’s worse? Just because hes a Far Right? Because he expresses sentiment to bad ideologies? If any of that is true, i’d let you know the guys in the Blue side praise Chinese overlords and Russian leaders, the guys in Yellow there’s nothing wrong im aware of but they’ve already been in the Government, doing nothing good to it and only proving they are part of the problem, despite that they are the ones I voted for on this round of Election in subject. Milei is a MAYBE he’s not bad, all others are FOR SURE BAD
If it is because some of his personnel ideas are surely gonna be pushed, hell as long as the good ideas are (which are majority), we urgently need them, we can deal with his shitty side later
I get you may be thinking with experience in hand of The Hell Trump instated on the US being a far Right, but im telling you from current experience of the Hell the Left has instated in Argentina for GENERATIONS
You’re right - I think but do not know he’s worse and it’s due to the global pattern of totalitarianism that the Right has embraced. I fear Argentina falling into that trap by electing a populist today that refuses to cede power tomorrow.
If he’s the least bad option that’s a commentary of the politics there and perhaps your conclusion is justified, I simply don’t know enough about them to say, but a meh known quantity appeals more to me than a personable extremist.
With all respect, is defeatism the best way to choose leadership? Far Right is in an of itself disqualifying to me because I strongly oppose their stated policy positions so I’m certainly not objective.
Im not familiar enough with the term “Defeateism” to be sure on my answer, but just from Google definition, It is rather the only way Argentines have to vote, but this time there’s at least hope since Milei is conpletely New, past Elections were completely defeateism as all candidates were already in power and were for sure bad, it was picking your poison 100%
I’d even say that the biggest driving factor for Milei’s success is that he’s new.
By the way, you said how you dont want Argentina to fall under totalitarism with a Populist that refuses to cede Power, you are describing exactly Kristina Fernandez on 2015 who refused to even stand in the same room to pass the Symbols of Power to the elected opossition Mauricio Macri, time again a Left Politician
She may have rudely skipped the ceremonial handoff but she ceded power. That’s a far cry from refusing to which is the threat I meant.
No she didnt ced the Power, justice had to intervene and a Provisional President (that lasted 12 hours) had to do it instead of her, good thing our constitution explicitly extinguishes Presidential Power the exact moment the clock hits 00:00 their last day of charge, or else?
I know that you meant something more serious, but to our constitution there isnt more serious than this
I did not know she actually refused. Dick move but smart for the constitution to stipulate that.
You’re right - I think but do not know he’s worse and it’s due to the global pattern of totalitarianism that the Right has embraced. I fear Argentina falling into that trap by electing a populist today that refuses to cede power tomorrow.
If he’s the least bad option that’s a commentary of the politics there and perhaps your conclusion is justified, I simply don’t know enough about them to say, but a meh known quantity appeals more to me than a personable extremist.
With all respect, is defeatism the best way to choose leadership? Far Right is in an of itself disqualifying to me because I strongly oppose their stated policy positions so I’m certainly not objective.