• TankovayaDiviziya
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    The GOP back then when Arnie joined was more socially progressive and actually fiscally conservative. This was the party that allowed more migrants in the 1980s, and courted Muslim voters in 2000 presidential election by tapping into the mostly immigrant Muslim’s entrepreneurial spirit-- and it worked. I won’t vote for any conservatives because I inherently disagree with them on economics and I am not religious, but 2000’s GOP is the kind of conservative that I identify as conservative.

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      “socially progressive and fiscally conservative” is and always has been a copout phrase used by people that will never, ever, support wide spread systemic change to better people’s lives, but dont want to be yelled at for it. Its the “thoughts and prayers” group.

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        Certain Republicans such as Arnold Schwarzenegger, tend to be considered moderate Republicans and more centrist than the national party.

        And the gop for a time was a lot more moderate, and was more “moderate” before 2016 and 2001

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        Notice that everyone who claims to be socially progressive and fiscally conservative still always votes Republican. It’s basically their way of saying “I don’t personally want to kill all gay people, but would gladly vote for politicians who do if it means I might get a tax break.”

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        copout phrase used by people that will never, ever, support wide spread systemic change to better people’s lives

        Well they are called conservatives for a reason. Because they value “conserving” whatever it is.

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          He’s referring to people who claim to be “socially progressive and economically conservative” because those two concepts are diametrically opposed

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            Because those who are “socially progressive and economically conservative” are operating from the classical liberal sense of personal freedom and freedom from government control on the market. Liberalism and capitalism are progressive ideas when they first came out, as these ideas were opposing the aristocratic hierarchy and government control of economy to turn profit (mercantilism). Now, with aristocracy pretty much gone, personal liberty is practically non-questionable, and free market is widely adopted, these are given and hence became “conservative” in the modern sense.