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A post from r/apple explaining why they were forced to reopen their subreddit after planning to close indefinitely.
Quotes from the r/apple announcement:
Reddit’s asshole CEO u/spez made it clear that Reddit was not backing down on their changes but assured users that apps or tools meant for accessibility will be unharmed along with most moderation tools and bots. While this was great to hear, it still wasn’t enough. So along with hundreds of other subreddits including our friends over at r/iPhone, r/iOS, r/AppleWatch, and r/Jailbreak, we decided to stay private indefinitely until Reddit changed course by giving third-party apps a fair price for API access.
Now you must be wondering, “I’m seeing this post, does that mean they budged?” Unfortunately, the answer is no. You are seeing this post because Reddit has threatened to open subreddits regardless of mod action and replace entire teams that otherwise refuse. We want the best for this community and have no choice but to open it back up — or have it opened for us.
NOTE: The URL linked to this post is a web.archive.org archive linked to a Libreddit instance to prevent Reddit from taking down that post from the internet + prevent giving Reddit direct traffic. Other links linked here go straight to Libreddit urls or to news articles. No links here lead directly to Reddit.
Libreddit is a third-party web client hosted by third-party servers.
EDIT: fixed grammar.
This is what I said to another person:
If reddit employees start engaging in actual content moderation, reddit will run up against the DMCA’s safe harbor protections, which means reddit becomes responsible, as a company, for all the content on the site. Or, at least, in those subreddits.
Ain’t no way the legal team is going to let an employee do the actual moderation work. But you’re right, they’ll find someone who will do it for the power.
of they remove mods because they don’t do the job the way they like, they’re still under the same law…
You can’t sidestep laws by simple workarounds
It’s crazy that some people in these enormous subs pretty much run moderation as a full time job for nothing. Like I totally understand hobbies or contributing to something for the greater good, even I contribute where I can in the open source arena! But to religiously undertake a role like this daily just for the title of MOD is insane to me…
Haha oh shit then all the current mods really should let themselves get overthrown. I am loving this popcorn
As far as I’m aware, this isn’t necessarily true.
The DMCA sets out several requirements for eligibility for the “safe harbor” provisions, but they basically boil down to “you can’t be the entity that posts infringing material, and you need to remove infringing material when notified of the infringement” plus some legal stuff around having a designated agent to receive complaints, etc.
Having the moderators be Reddit themselves doesn’t present a problem here. If Reddit themselves start actually uploading infringing material, then they’d have no protection against a complaint on that material, but that’s it.
Consider Twitter, YouTube, etc. All of them do 1st party moderation of copyrighted material, and they haven’t lost their protection there either.
It is similar to a coup but from the top, so it‘s more like “consolidating power” phase which dictatorships do go through. Dissenters get removed and replaced by willing servants until the platform is more spez and less “The People”. Meanwhile he pretends like somehow the mods are the actual dictators or some shit to make all this palatable to those that still use Reddit, which in my cynical view they will eat up. Reddit is dead and done for anyone who values actual community over ads.
Classic and blatant DARVO strategy.
he gets us
/s