• IndustryStandardOP
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    2 days ago

    To be fair, I do think Hamas’s attack on Israeli civilians in 2023 was completely wrong.

    Why? Should Palestinians die in their concentration camp while doing nothing about it?

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      I don’t think it’s right to attack civilians. If Hamas wants to destroy Israeli military equipment then fair enough, I could see a case for that.

      Plenty of people dislike US military interventions (for good reasons) - does that mean it would be right to kill US civilians in return? I don’t think so. Some civilians might support the worst actions of their government, but other civilians don’t at all.

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        I don’t think it’s right to attack civilians. If Hamas wants to destroy Israeli military equipment then fair enough, I could see a case for that.

        You mean like they did on October 7 where they attacked military bases around the Gaza concentration camp

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          They also killed Israeli civilians and I don’t think it’s right to kill civilians, whether it’s Israeli or Palestinian civilians, Jewish or Muslim, or anyone else.

          Obviously Palestinians are underdogs against Israel, and I think what Israel is currently doing to Palestine is terrible and wrong. I still don’t think killing civilians is a good answer to that problem though.

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            Not a justification, but one of the problems with Israeli conscription laws is that service is mandatory, and everyone who serves is obligated to be a reservist until the age of 40 and even 50 depending.

            It gets real hard to distinguish if any given individuals in Israel are one of the limited populations exempted from serving in the IDF.

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              It seems some people refuse to serve, and sure such people might be rare, but they may still exist. And you might have someone who served in the IDF because they had to, but afterwards they have campaigned for an end to compulsory IDF service, and for Israel to recognise Palestine, etc. So I just think it’s wrong to harm civilians.

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            2 days ago

            Its been very well proven Israel slaughtered many of its own citizens that day, not Hamas.

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              2 days ago

              I think Al Jazeera is known to be critical of Israel right? And they have said that Hamas killed civilians in the October 2023 attack:

              thousands witnessed a massacre at an Israeli music festival where Hamas fighters killed at least 260 people and took captives back into Gaza

              Anyway, I hope Palestinians can live in peace without Israel murdering Palestinians, and without Israelis taking Palestinian land, etc. I hope everyone in that area can live in peace and with equal rights. I don’t approve of any killings of civilians, whether it’s by Hamas or Israel. Some people say “Israel has killed far more civilians than Hamas has, since October 2023”, and yes that’s very likely true, but that doesn’t mean Hamas killed no civilians.

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                5 hours ago

                During the Holocaust you would have always made sure to chide anyone condemning it by pointing out that the Jewish resistance killed civilians too