I’ve worked 2nd (afternoon), swing (evening), and 3rd (overnight) shifts for the majority of my life. I recently moved into a training position where I’m Monday through Friday, 8am to ~5:30pm (I get OT while I’m cleaning up and writing reports).
As much as the 2nd/swing/3rd shifts screw with your life in other ways, the difficulty in scheduling any kind of life services outside of working hours is maddening. Doctor’s appointment? Nope. DMV? Maybe Saturday, if you’re lucky. Chaperone your kids field trip? Hahahhah no.
I don’t want to burn sick time for a doctor’s appointment (I need to save those for when my kid is actually sick), and I sure as hell don’t want to use up a “vacation” day for it. How tf are you supposed to get anything done?


I’m asking because I don’t know the answer. That’s the point of asking you to explain so I can actually answer you.
Your first comment, “should they”, is a blatant leading question, and in my opinion, easily takeable as accusatory.
My first comment was about working 8hrs for 9hrs. You came here being smug about 9hrs being acceptable. It isn’t and shouldn’t be. You can’t even engage honestly and never intended to. You are who you are
I never said that, which is exactly why I commented on you trying to make up a strawman for me, which you’ve proved you were. I did not come in here saying it was acceptable. I came in here saying it was an unfortunate reality as some, which you somehow took as me saying it was acceptable.