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    23 hours ago

    So, this is not the alternative though, right? Our current situation and political landscape is exactly where decades of blue no matter who got us. It’s time to change strategies, because this isn’t working.

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      5 hours ago

      Or is it where decades of mostly ignoring anything but presidential elections has gotten us? Where mot participating in most of the process has gotten us and then we want there to be just the choice we want, waiting for us at the end?

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      19 hours ago

      Again, you seem to be willingly missing the point. Up until the election, you had an entire year to fight tooth and nail for better. At the election, you only have two choices and no amount of “they both suck I refuse to do anything but sit here and tell everyone else they fucked up by letting it get to this point” will change that. You had two choices only and refused to make a single one, letting the worst happen.

      Are you aware of the world around you enough to know how it got here? They voted red every single time and pulled things slightly more to the right every time they could. They didn’t like their candidates, but they understood they won’t get where they want to immediately. You have to incrementally get there because people are awful and scared of change so they kept working at it election by election. Meanwhile, people like you said “well this is not the perfect choice so I’m going to sit around and pout about it” and do nothing to even slow their progress.

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        6 hours ago

        Again, you seem to be willingly missing the point. Up until the election, you had an entire year to fight tooth and nail for better.

        You won the instant we were cheated out of a primary and both candidates were pro-genocide like you.

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          5 hours ago

          You seem to be making a hell of a lot of assumptions and straw men based on… Nothing. Please let the adults talk

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            5 hours ago

            You map adulthood 1:1 with genocide support and nothing else.

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        14 hours ago

        No I understand your point. I just strongly disagree with it, mainly because reality just doesn’t line up with what you’re saying. What signs do you have that your current strategy is working? Like, actually. What signs are you getting from reality make you think “well geeze, we’ve got this down pat.”

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            6 hours ago

            You got the only thing you wanted either way.

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              6 hours ago

              You are very quick to put words and thoughts and deeds in people’s mouths and minds and hands.

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                5 hours ago

                I spent a solid year being called a trump supporter for saying that democrats had no business supporting genocide. I’m treating the genocide worshipers that comprise the entirety of the centrist wing of the party with the same consideration I got from them.

                If they don’t like it, that’s the intent. They demonstrated that they have only one policy.