I’ll tell you what what! Theys gene Z should break their backs in the mines just like I did and my pappy did! Then master let’s you lynch ******* and that’s what life is all about, I’ll tell you!
There’s a big difference between working hard to get ahead and what you’re babbling about. I get the feeling from here that young people feel that harder workers shouldn’t be rewarded and slackers should earn the same.
No. They’re pointing out that hard work doesn’t make you exceptional, doesn’t get you rewarded and doesn’t get you ahead.
Since you apparently haven’t actually been working for the past fifteen years, the social contract has been almost entirely broken. Busting your arse gets you the same pay as the dude who takes four hour smoke breaks and a shittier quality of life due to stress.
Workers are just refusing to be exploited
Yeah there may be some smaller companies that recognise and recompense great work, but they are the exception, not the rule. And they are increasingly unicorns.
Retired a few back but keep in touch with the higher ups as well. You’re completely wrong with that statement. Many people get rewarded for hard work. But in order to get rewarded, do you have to be the one that is seriously helping the company. If you’re talking about the bottom of the worker pile then you have to do something to stand out. In my case I started off building on the factory line. Saw what they ran for computer systems. Trained myself at my own expense to learn them and ingrain to myself Socially with the people that ran them. Hard work isn’t just the physical part. It’s also the mental part and most importantly the social part. So much of business is social and if they don’t know who you are they’ll never know the hard work you’re doing or how beneficial you are to the company. If you are, that is.
I’m actually still in the workforce, so I’m gonna go ahead and consider myself to be a bit more of an authority as to what’s going on than you are, seeing as you’ve just admitted you’re divorced from the working reality.
This thread is literally full of people telling you how they have brought value - in some cases, immense, company-saving value - and not been recompensed. I very freely admitted there were some companies that did still value workers. I also said they are no longer the norm. This is a continuation of a trend that started in the 90’s when outsourcing started chewing on the arses of the white collar workers, workforces became seen as dispensable and replaceable and it has sharply increased with the sociopathy of MBAs who can’t see any further than their own personal golden parachutes.
You gained your leg up in within a business framework that no longer exists. Demanding that workers continue to play by rules their employers ignore is lunacy.
Perfect example of the defeatist attitude. Btw it’s not an ancient system. Didn’t even exist in my grandparents time. Neither did the concept of a weekend.
You guys are the majority now. Make the changes you want.
Those 2 generations fight to get that. I remember cars being burned and flipped during strikes when I was young. This generation needs to do the same. Now when people go on strike everybody hates on them. Our grandparents put their lives on the line to get pensions, weekend, overtime pay etc etc. People now are letting it all slip away. Time to stop blaming the ones that got it and start blaming the ones letting it go.
That is so very far away from the actual expressed sentiment that I’m genuinely concerned that your underlying expectations of people and the world, completely hinders your ability to see reality at all.
Oh I see reality. I also see this next gen of workers coming in who are nothing like Gen X or even millennials. My underlying expectations are if you’re hired by someone be a good worker, work hard. Try to make the company better and if you’re good at it, the company will see this and promote you. Nothing crazy and nothing out of the reality that I experienced during my working life. Now I do see some new workers with the required social skills and knowledge to zoom up the ladder pretty quick, but that’s definitely not the norm.
This is not how the US workforce works at all- unless you are a boomer in a “retirement” job working 10hrs a week, getting paid for 40hrs, and relying on the younger generations to do all the work for you.
Just remember those younger people who show promise actually hate you because they already do your job better than you and will never be compensated for it.
Some of them are already past me and making more. But the majority flounder and don’t last. They most definitely aren’t doing my job better than me since they had to hire 4 when I retired. 3 of them didn’t make it and have been replaced. IT security guy in case you were wondering.
You are literally the example that younger folks are disillusioned with. Retired with benefits and decent pay for grinding is not something that happens anymore. Saying “well it worked for me so you must not be trying hard enough” is a false assumption and also condensending.
Put yourself in someone else’s shoes. Imagine you worked your ass off and grinded and learned and were never rewarded for that effort. That is by far most genx/mil/genz expirence in the US, and why we are angry.
Grinding and getting a raise for working hard in a corperate structure is a dream that only happened to old folks.
I’ll tell you what what! Theys gene Z should break their backs in the mines just like I did and my pappy did! Then master let’s you lynch ******* and that’s what life is all about, I’ll tell you!
There’s a big difference between working hard to get ahead and what you’re babbling about. I get the feeling from here that young people feel that harder workers shouldn’t be rewarded and slackers should earn the same.
No. They’re pointing out that hard work doesn’t make you exceptional, doesn’t get you rewarded and doesn’t get you ahead.
Since you apparently haven’t actually been working for the past fifteen years, the social contract has been almost entirely broken. Busting your arse gets you the same pay as the dude who takes four hour smoke breaks and a shittier quality of life due to stress.
Workers are just refusing to be exploited
Yeah there may be some smaller companies that recognise and recompense great work, but they are the exception, not the rule. And they are increasingly unicorns.
Retired a few back but keep in touch with the higher ups as well. You’re completely wrong with that statement. Many people get rewarded for hard work. But in order to get rewarded, do you have to be the one that is seriously helping the company. If you’re talking about the bottom of the worker pile then you have to do something to stand out. In my case I started off building on the factory line. Saw what they ran for computer systems. Trained myself at my own expense to learn them and ingrain to myself Socially with the people that ran them. Hard work isn’t just the physical part. It’s also the mental part and most importantly the social part. So much of business is social and if they don’t know who you are they’ll never know the hard work you’re doing or how beneficial you are to the company. If you are, that is.
If you did this today it would not work. Thats the expirence that we are living. Glad it worked for you 40yrs ago, we want the same treatment.
Nope.
I’m actually still in the workforce, so I’m gonna go ahead and consider myself to be a bit more of an authority as to what’s going on than you are, seeing as you’ve just admitted you’re divorced from the working reality.
This thread is literally full of people telling you how they have brought value - in some cases, immense, company-saving value - and not been recompensed. I very freely admitted there were some companies that did still value workers. I also said they are no longer the norm. This is a continuation of a trend that started in the 90’s when outsourcing started chewing on the arses of the white collar workers, workforces became seen as dispensable and replaceable and it has sharply increased with the sociopathy of MBAs who can’t see any further than their own personal golden parachutes.
You gained your leg up in within a business framework that no longer exists. Demanding that workers continue to play by rules their employers ignore is lunacy.
Woah retirement? What’s that? Oh right, this ancient system none of us will ever get to enjoy.
Perfect example of the defeatist attitude. Btw it’s not an ancient system. Didn’t even exist in my grandparents time. Neither did the concept of a weekend.
You guys are the majority now. Make the changes you want.
Congrats on being one of 2 generations who got to benefit off of that before it got fucked for us.
Those 2 generations fight to get that. I remember cars being burned and flipped during strikes when I was young. This generation needs to do the same. Now when people go on strike everybody hates on them. Our grandparents put their lives on the line to get pensions, weekend, overtime pay etc etc. People now are letting it all slip away. Time to stop blaming the ones that got it and start blaming the ones letting it go.
Stop spreading propaganda. No one is wasting their precious calories, helping someone else get richer.
The benefits and pay would have to be very VERY good.
That is so very far away from the actual expressed sentiment that I’m genuinely concerned that your underlying expectations of people and the world, completely hinders your ability to see reality at all.
Oh I see reality. I also see this next gen of workers coming in who are nothing like Gen X or even millennials. My underlying expectations are if you’re hired by someone be a good worker, work hard. Try to make the company better and if you’re good at it, the company will see this and promote you. Nothing crazy and nothing out of the reality that I experienced during my working life. Now I do see some new workers with the required social skills and knowledge to zoom up the ladder pretty quick, but that’s definitely not the norm.
This is not how the US workforce works at all- unless you are a boomer in a “retirement” job working 10hrs a week, getting paid for 40hrs, and relying on the younger generations to do all the work for you.
Lol. Now that’s out of touch.
Just remember those younger people who show promise actually hate you because they already do your job better than you and will never be compensated for it.
Some of them are already past me and making more. But the majority flounder and don’t last. They most definitely aren’t doing my job better than me since they had to hire 4 when I retired. 3 of them didn’t make it and have been replaced. IT security guy in case you were wondering.
You are literally the example that younger folks are disillusioned with. Retired with benefits and decent pay for grinding is not something that happens anymore. Saying “well it worked for me so you must not be trying hard enough” is a false assumption and also condensending.
Put yourself in someone else’s shoes. Imagine you worked your ass off and grinded and learned and were never rewarded for that effort. That is by far most genx/mil/genz expirence in the US, and why we are angry.
Grinding and getting a raise for working hard in a corperate structure is a dream that only happened to old folks.
Millenial here: I don’t see what for, they don’t have our best interests in mind, we should slack whenever we can, and rob them blind.
And then cry when the country falls apart because too many people are like you.
We only need like 1/3 the work I do. I’d accept slower services for the ability to touch grass.
Imagine an economy where everybody had that attitude. We would be eaten by foreign countries and then you’ll see real hardships.
China has dark factories with no humans.
I can imagine that.
it’s more that we’re tired of working hard without being rewarded. in fact, life keeps getting worse for us no matter what we do.
It takes a long time to build the skills that get the rewards. Took me decades of grinding but will with the payoff.