Trump has concentration camps where children are being raped and disappeared. Like systematically. As part of the deportation process. I do not think that is better. Do you think it is better? I think that is worse. Obama didn’t have fucking goon squads kidnapping and shooting people in the streets, camping out at bus stops and churches. Like, I get that Obama was cruel, but he did not let ICE fuck children and shoot people with impunity. And that is the difference. And you are trying to pretend it is better to have the 1.5 million even if severalfold more of them are raped and murdered as a result. I think that’s worse. Do you not?
Your study has a lot of issues, but mainly that it relies on data provided by ICE, but also that it does not clarify the difference in sexual assault under Obama vs. Under Trump. It could show a difference under Trump vs. Biden (or rather, Trump’s first term), but I don’t think you really read the report.
Regardless, there is currently ongoing rapes in concentration camps under Trump II, and a fuckton more than this study shows under both, so I really don’t see how this proves me wrong. Thanks for confirmation.
You just can’t seem to choose whether it’s OK to quantify harm and advocate for harm reduction on that basis or whether harm is qualitative and cannot be reduced to simple numerical comparison.
Which is it: it’s disgusting to the tell the victims of sexual violence under Obama and Biden that Trump is presiding over more of it and that’s why it’s OK to vote for Ds, or it’s virtuous to vote lesser evil and harm reduction on a quantitative basis?
Did Biden prosecute the perpetrators of sexual violence against detained immigrants? Did he address the harm? Or did he ignore the harm?
It sounds to me like you are deeply attached to the idea that Democrats are NOT actively participating in the system and that the Republicans are. To me, the evidence is clear that this is a Good Cop / Bad Cop situation and they both work for the same department and you’re just being duped by the routine.
I think you are the only one confused. I do not think your data shows that rapes of children was somehow less under Biden. Or even that rapes were less. They kinda cart out those pregnant children every day out there in New Jersey.
The only thing I see you do is take no stance. And that is because you have the privilege to take none. Maybe no one you know is being hurt worse from the decision of others. I think you should feel lucky. You must have a great life.
No, I am taking a stance. You just don’t like it. My stance is that voting Democrat won’t save anyone, that the Democrats have demonstrated that they will not only oversee the same atrocities of the Republicans but that they will not punish the criminals and they will give the fascist more tools every time they get to elected. My stance is that the only way to protect our siblings and elders and children is to fight, in the streets, in the workplaces, in public, shut down the economy, and force the issue because historically it is the only thing that has ever worked in this country. Women’s suffrage, labor rights, civil rights, and gay rights all came from riots and strikes, not from banging pots and voting.
Yes, that is not taking a stance. You just don’t like it. You can’t say what should be done, only one thing that shouldn’t. That’s what losers do because you can hide behind it and never take a real stance. Congratulations, you get to pretend you’re winning.
Man, I’ll just softball you. Can you list which elected Democrats believe that women should not be allowed to vote? Because there are a small but growing number of elected Republicans that have stated that women, in some capacity, should not be allowed to vote. Because they’re the same.
I literally said what to do. Just because your brain blackholes it when you read it doesn’t mean I didn’t say what should be done.
Your softball is virtue signalling. Of Democrats don’t say those things. They are the Good Cop in the system. Instead they say things like American politics should gate kept.
According to Zack Rosen, founder of California YIMBY and the Abundance Network, the problem with politics is Americans being too involved. Bemoaning the rise of small-dollar political donations in fundraising documents leaked to the Prospect, Rosen is blunt: “Small dollar internet fundraising makes politics dumber.” Rosen misses what he considers to be a bygone era of elite dominance. Lamenting the current state of democratized influence, Rosen says “the old gatekeepers were political professionals who could count cards; small dollar donors today are amateurs yanking the handles of ActBlue slot machines.”
The Democrats don’t have to believe that women shouldn’t vote, because the Republicans are doing it for them. The Democrats just sit there and do nothing to stop them. As we saw with Biden/Harris. They had the full unredacted Epstein Files. They did nothing with them. The Supreme Court said the POTUS could do anything they wanted to protect democracy. Biden said Trump was a threat to democracy. And then they all just let him run again. And then Biden refused to give Harris a chance to build a campaign until the last possible second. The Democrats CREATED this mess.
Trump’s deportation czar in both terms was Tom Homan. Homan was an Obama appointee, which is why Obama deported 3m people, 100% more than Trump has deported. The use of ICE and BORTAC in US cities was created by Obama changing the structure of information sharing and coordination, increasing headcount, and inceasing budget. The Republicans are using the tools the Democrats created and the Democrats don’t dismantle the tools when they get power. Instead, they enhance the tools and then act like it’s the voter’s fault when a Republican uses the tools.
If you can’t see the PR bullshit of the Democrats, if you don’t understand that they’re the Good Cop, then you’re the loser. You have an opportunity to fight your way out, but instead you’re telling all of us that we should trust the Good Cop because he clearly is nice and isn’t like the Bad Cop. That’s loser behavior
You write a lot of words for saying that you agree they are not the same. And, by that virtue, one must be better than the other. So, is voting the lesser evil bad or what? Or is your point that Republicans are the lesser evil?
I mean, I could go into a lot of depths about how the Supreme Court was stacked by Republicans, and that they give some unilateral power to Republican presidents in their ruling with the caveat that they get to decide at any point what is included in that.
But, I don’t think you really know anything about US law or USSC rulings or anything like that. I also doubt you care.
Like, I get the analogy, but… Most people would still rather have a good cop than a bad cop. Does that not make sense to you? And since I have two options, yeah, I still think your logic points towards voting for Democratic politicians. Because that is what your logic points to, and you refuse to refute that.
Trump has concentration camps where children are being raped and disappeared. Like systematically. As part of the deportation process. I do not think that is better. Do you think it is better? I think that is worse. Obama didn’t have fucking goon squads kidnapping and shooting people in the streets, camping out at bus stops and churches. Like, I get that Obama was cruel, but he did not let ICE fuck children and shoot people with impunity. And that is the difference. And you are trying to pretend it is better to have the 1.5 million even if severalfold more of them are raped and murdered as a result. I think that’s worse. Do you not?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10408271/
First line
Your study has a lot of issues, but mainly that it relies on data provided by ICE, but also that it does not clarify the difference in sexual assault under Obama vs. Under Trump. It could show a difference under Trump vs. Biden (or rather, Trump’s first term), but I don’t think you really read the report.
Regardless, there is currently ongoing rapes in concentration camps under Trump II, and a fuckton more than this study shows under both, so I really don’t see how this proves me wrong. Thanks for confirmation.
You just can’t seem to choose whether it’s OK to quantify harm and advocate for harm reduction on that basis or whether harm is qualitative and cannot be reduced to simple numerical comparison.
Which is it: it’s disgusting to the tell the victims of sexual violence under Obama and Biden that Trump is presiding over more of it and that’s why it’s OK to vote for Ds, or it’s virtuous to vote lesser evil and harm reduction on a quantitative basis?
Did Biden prosecute the perpetrators of sexual violence against detained immigrants? Did he address the harm? Or did he ignore the harm?
It sounds to me like you are deeply attached to the idea that Democrats are NOT actively participating in the system and that the Republicans are. To me, the evidence is clear that this is a Good Cop / Bad Cop situation and they both work for the same department and you’re just being duped by the routine.
I think you are the only one confused. I do not think your data shows that rapes of children was somehow less under Biden. Or even that rapes were less. They kinda cart out those pregnant children every day out there in New Jersey.
The only thing I see you do is take no stance. And that is because you have the privilege to take none. Maybe no one you know is being hurt worse from the decision of others. I think you should feel lucky. You must have a great life.
No, I am taking a stance. You just don’t like it. My stance is that voting Democrat won’t save anyone, that the Democrats have demonstrated that they will not only oversee the same atrocities of the Republicans but that they will not punish the criminals and they will give the fascist more tools every time they get to elected. My stance is that the only way to protect our siblings and elders and children is to fight, in the streets, in the workplaces, in public, shut down the economy, and force the issue because historically it is the only thing that has ever worked in this country. Women’s suffrage, labor rights, civil rights, and gay rights all came from riots and strikes, not from banging pots and voting.
Yes, that is not taking a stance. You just don’t like it. You can’t say what should be done, only one thing that shouldn’t. That’s what losers do because you can hide behind it and never take a real stance. Congratulations, you get to pretend you’re winning.
Man, I’ll just softball you. Can you list which elected Democrats believe that women should not be allowed to vote? Because there are a small but growing number of elected Republicans that have stated that women, in some capacity, should not be allowed to vote. Because they’re the same.
I literally said what to do. Just because your brain blackholes it when you read it doesn’t mean I didn’t say what should be done.
Your softball is virtue signalling. Of Democrats don’t say those things. They are the Good Cop in the system. Instead they say things like American politics should gate kept.
https://prospect.org/2026/06/12/new-documents-detail-nine-figure-silicon-valley-funded-abundance-movement/
The Democrats don’t have to believe that women shouldn’t vote, because the Republicans are doing it for them. The Democrats just sit there and do nothing to stop them. As we saw with Biden/Harris. They had the full unredacted Epstein Files. They did nothing with them. The Supreme Court said the POTUS could do anything they wanted to protect democracy. Biden said Trump was a threat to democracy. And then they all just let him run again. And then Biden refused to give Harris a chance to build a campaign until the last possible second. The Democrats CREATED this mess.
Trump’s deportation czar in both terms was Tom Homan. Homan was an Obama appointee, which is why Obama deported 3m people, 100% more than Trump has deported. The use of ICE and BORTAC in US cities was created by Obama changing the structure of information sharing and coordination, increasing headcount, and inceasing budget. The Republicans are using the tools the Democrats created and the Democrats don’t dismantle the tools when they get power. Instead, they enhance the tools and then act like it’s the voter’s fault when a Republican uses the tools.
If you can’t see the PR bullshit of the Democrats, if you don’t understand that they’re the Good Cop, then you’re the loser. You have an opportunity to fight your way out, but instead you’re telling all of us that we should trust the Good Cop because he clearly is nice and isn’t like the Bad Cop. That’s loser behavior
You write a lot of words for saying that you agree they are not the same. And, by that virtue, one must be better than the other. So, is voting the lesser evil bad or what? Or is your point that Republicans are the lesser evil?
I mean, I could go into a lot of depths about how the Supreme Court was stacked by Republicans, and that they give some unilateral power to Republican presidents in their ruling with the caveat that they get to decide at any point what is included in that.
But, I don’t think you really know anything about US law or USSC rulings or anything like that. I also doubt you care.
Like, I get the analogy, but… Most people would still rather have a good cop than a bad cop. Does that not make sense to you? And since I have two options, yeah, I still think your logic points towards voting for Democratic politicians. Because that is what your logic points to, and you refuse to refute that.